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Sovereign Tech Agency invests €500k in Flatpak

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Re: Sovereign Tech Agency invests €500k in Flatpak

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The crazy thing is that there is a model where governments / states / localities can migrate away from windows / Microsoft 365 ... and use part of the savings to fund open-source if this was done across Europe we'd have sovereign open-source tech stack that is strong, well funded, and used by 10s of millions in the EU alone. I have no idea why simple ideas like this are not persuade instead lots of incoherent, almost…

The process you're describing is underway. Schleswig-Holstein, Munich, Leon, and the Austrian military all come to mind as recent examples of that sort of migration, and then pivoting savings into support contracts for open source. That process is super important yes, but what about cases where the relevant government bodies don't think the open source offering is ready yet for them? That is where the STF steps in, a…

this is what I mean by distributed, unconcentrated change.

you will never make meaningful progress by those initiatives, there should be an echo of the US investment in data centers or china's investment in EVs.

bigger, systematic, with immediate impact on the software / cloud stack in the EU first and globally.

Re: Sovereign Tech Agency invests €500k in Flatpak

#94
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Same except for Steam. Hope this money revitalizes bubblewrap's development, it'd be nice to get proper signal handling cleanup up then merged (even util-linux's unshare has it, these days).

I have bad news for you: The flatpak developers plan to stop using bubblewrap. They say it is no longer necessary because most distros now support unprivileged user namespaces. https://youtu.be/NsVhkz2Xl0E?si=-ypxvTlRukCZLql9

Bubblewrap is a CLI interface for these, you know? It's been some time since bwrap recommended avoiding their SUID wrapper.

Re: Sovereign Tech Agency invests €500k in Flatpak

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> They don’t employ software-developers. They actually do employ developers: https://www.sovereign.tech/programs/fellowship > The projects need to apply repeatingly for funding. Still better than no funding at all.

> Compensation is based on the collective agreement for the public sector in Germany (TVöD-Bund) and will range from €64,000 to €82,000 per year for a full-time position, including 30 days of vacation, depending on qualifications and experience. LOL. That's €32,122 net for a full time position. And you're not even allowed to work from a place in southern Europe where you can actually live from that amount of money.

It's more like €40,000-50,000 after taxes and contributions to health care, social security and the German pension fund. Enough for a modest lifestyle in Germany. Many OSS contributors aren't motivated by money after all.

Re: Sovereign Tech Agency invests €500k in Flatpak

#96
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I loved Flatpak until I started building a MiniPC with a 112 GB internal disk for HTPC usage... Then I felt the pain of having to get all slightly different dependency versions for each little program I wanted. The box' cost already topped the project's budget so no new disk for it. I'm back to "proper .deb packaging please"

Use cases naturally differ, but I'd much rather use more storage than hit yet another unresolvable dependency issue.

I think projects today are too trigger happy about updating dependencies and using dependencies that are too volatile. IIRC, the task runner just couldn’t be built on debian 12 because its rust package was too “old”. Just two years have passed since the version freeze.

Re: Sovereign Tech Agency invests €500k in Flatpak

#97

My trust in Flatpak diminished after installing the book reader Calibre and finding that despite the sandboxing Calibre was given blanket access to my drive. Apparently a quirk of the developer behind Calibre insisting upon it. No warnings or communication of the exception were given. All trust I had in Flatpak was eroded from that moment on. Curious about the podman options or similar. Having desktop apps in a conta…

> No warnings or communication of the exception were given. All trust I had in Flatpak was eroded from that moment on This is just wrong. Clients like the flathub website or gnome software show the risk posed by wide ranging access to local files, but Flatpak has to support legacy applications that don't use portals yet and thus they can't block applications having those permissions https://flathub.org/en-GB/apps/com…

The flathub website warnings are good, but some warnings in the CLI would be nice as well.

What it looks like in the CLI (depending on the host):

  com.calibre_ebook.calibre permissions:
    ipc                         network      fallback-x11         pulseaudio
    wayland                     devices      file access [1]      dbus access [2]
    system dbus access [3]

    [1] host, xdg-config/kdeglobals:ro, xdg-data/Trash, xdg-run/speech-dispatcher:ro

I think it is easy to skim over "host" there

Re: Sovereign Tech Agency invests €500k in Flatpak

#98
Dunno why people try to push app isolation on Linux desktop.

It'd be better and more comfortable to make task/workspace isolation easier. You have all your apps installed system wide as usual, and you isolate processes in sandbox per your current task.

Isolating individual apps and having to deal with permission prompts and protals, and persistence of permissions is uh, not very user friendly anyway.

Feels like this whole flatpak and similar mechanisms is more oriented on bringing in untrusted apps, rather than anything actually comfortable and useful as far as "work" isolation needs go.

Re: Sovereign Tech Agency invests €500k in Flatpak

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I’m thankful for the STF. Germany is one of the few countries doing something. But it is not strategic software-development. * They don’t employ software-developers. No safety for the developers. No control over developers. * It is only temporary. * The projects need to apply repeatingly for funding. Wasting time and resources and chausing worries. The how planet needs Linux, BSD, cURL, ffmpeg, Flatpak. We need to en…

A single percentage of the revenue google generated by using ffmpeg would fund development indefinitely.

I expect a single percentage of the compute they spend running ffmpeg would be plenty and might easily pay for itself.

Re: Sovereign Tech Agency invests €500k in Flatpak

#100
post #16

I loved Flatpak until I started building a MiniPC with a 112 GB internal disk for HTPC usage... Then I felt the pain of having to get all slightly different dependency versions for each little program I wanted. The box' cost already topped the project's budget so no new disk for it. I'm back to "proper .deb packaging please"

Use cases naturally differ, but I'd much rather use more storage than hit yet another unresolvable dependency issue.

Nix offers the best of both worlds on this aspect: each program can depend on the exact version of a library it needs and several versions can coexist on the disk, but if two programs depend on the exact same version, it is stored only once.
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