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Re: Gemini-3.5-Transcribe

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> In preliminary testing, Mantzarlis found Pangram was more likely to misclassify AI-generated text as human-authored when it rhymed, repeated itself, and when it used archaic language. He then built an adversarial set of 588 AI-generated text samples tailored to these weaknesses. When he used Pangram to evaluate them, the tool falsely labelled AI text as human 86% of the time. > “I don't think that Pangram is bad,”…

Why? Does TFA rhyme, repeat itself, use archaic language or otherwise looks adversarial? It doesn't, so we can assume Pangram's usual false positive/negative rates apply. Yeah there's a chance it's wrong, and they'll need to catch up to new models, but my instinct can be wrong too and I don't stop using it to filter what I read; at least Pangram's accuracy can be measured.

> Why? Does TFA rhyme, repeat itself, use archaic language or otherwise looks adversarial? It doesn't, so we can assume Pangram's usual false positive/negative rates apply.

No it literally does not apply is the point of the article. Please read what it is about and what it says instead of asking for spoon-feeding.

> but my instinct can be wrong too and I don't stop using it to filter what I read

Again, your instinct is not something that matters to anyone other than you. But you are presenting Pangram as fact and doing on a moral crusade (I WILL NOT READ ANYTHING PANGRAM SAYS AS AI). You can also have an instinct that "THIS IS WRONG" and go on crusade but you will naturally understand your foundation is not solid at all.

Lastly, if your instincts serve you well why are you outsourcing yourself to another instinct? Is it for yourself or to say to others "LOOK AI CONTENT LOOK AI CONTENT!!!"? Is that purely to serve your interests of filtering what you read or are you using it in the wrong way here?

Re: Gemini-3.5-Transcribe

#92
Maybe someone knows if this can be fixed... On Android, Google Assistant is being replaced by Gemini. Except it seems Gemini can't actually do any assistant tasks.

If I ask it to play a song, instead of triggering Spotify it just gives me a list of URLs I can play the song. Same with alarms. Did I accidentally not opt-in to something?

Re: Gemini-3.5-Transcribe

#93
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Do you use it on a desktop? Mac by any chance? What's your setup? I've been looking to find a simple and fast dictation app for English but almost everything I've tried (from Handy to many apps, eg some with Whisper in their names, after the model I assume) just don't work well. Apple's offering is worse than those though. I even tried with local enhancement models.

Out of curiosity, what was wrong with Handy? I use it and it works fine.

I use Handy all the time and it is just perfect.

I guess OP didn’t chose the right STT model.

Re: Gemini-3.5-Transcribe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Does TFA rhyme, repeat itself, use archaic language or otherwise looks adversarial? It doesn't, so we can assume Pangram's usual false positive/negative rates apply. Yeah there's a chance it's wrong, and they'll need to catch up to new models, but my instinct can be wrong too and I don't stop using it to filter what I read; at least Pangram's accuracy can be measured.

> Why? Does TFA rhyme, repeat itself, use archaic language or otherwise looks adversarial? It doesn't, so we can assume Pangram's usual false positive/negative rates apply. No it literally does not apply is the point of the article. Please read what it is about and what it says instead of asking for spoon-feeding. > but my instinct can be wrong too and I don't stop using it to filter what I read Again, your instinct…

The text you linked simply says that for individual analysis instead of bulk one, there will be false positives. I already acknowledged that, and I still need some filter anyway whether you want me to have one or not. Mistaking your blog posts for an AI under a fairly low false positive rate is a sacrifice I'm willing to make; I'm not grading college students here.

Also, I'm not presenting Pangram as anything, much less said what you just claimed I said. You might be mistaking who you're talking to in this thread, either way you clearly aren't debating in good faith.

Re: Gemini-3.5-Transcribe

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post #92

Maybe someone knows if this can be fixed... On Android, Google Assistant is being replaced by Gemini. Except it seems Gemini can't actually do any assistant tasks. If I ask it to play a song, instead of triggering Spotify it just gives me a list of URLs I can play the song. Same with alarms. Did I accidentally not opt-in to something?

You share the same frustration that I any many others also have. Google absolutely jumped the gun with their push to Gemini over Google Assistant. Some things are tied to permissions that Gemini needs. Other thigs - afaik - simply don't work with Gemini because it doesn't 'know' that it should use certain device functions

Re: Gemini-3.5-Transcribe

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I personally tested all the STT models for my real-time translator ( https://fliptalk.ai ). From language detection and accuracy in a noisy environment to the most important point: latency. At the moment, Soniox STT v5 is definitely the best, and I'm impressed by its performance. It's good that Google released Gemini-3.5-Transcribe, and it beats every other model on accuracy, but it definitely needs a bit more work o…

Thank you for this!

I was using Cartesia, while their TTS is amazing their STT pricing has kind of irked me.

Interested in know how good soniox latency and EUD is on STT compared to Cartesia. Cartesia's is really in real world conversations

Re: Gemini-3.5-Transcribe

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I’ve tested at least 20 STT models in a benchmark I’ve set up with German, Italian and English voices from meetings in my company. The voices contained very industry specific words, the languages changed from one sentence to another, sometimes words in a language were mentioned while a discussion was in another. The only local model that satisfies me is Voxtral Mini 3b, the only paid API that is slightly better is el…

Do you use it on a desktop? Mac by any chance? What's your setup? I've been looking to find a simple and fast dictation app for English but almost everything I've tried (from Handy to many apps, eg some with Whisper in their names, after the model I assume) just don't work well. Apple's offering is worse than those though. I even tried with local enhancement models.

I suggest try openwhisperer.com, open-source. DMG or build from source (GitHub)

Transcribing is perfect in many language and, it focuses on a selected app. Also it does TTS.

Re: Gemini-3.5-Transcribe

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I’ve tested at least 20 STT models in a benchmark I’ve set up with German, Italian and English voices from meetings in my company. The voices contained very industry specific words, the languages changed from one sentence to another, sometimes words in a language were mentioned while a discussion was in another. The only local model that satisfies me is Voxtral Mini 3b, the only paid API that is slightly better is el…

I suggest try openwhisperer.com, open-source. DMG or build from source (GitHub)

Transcribing is perfect in many language and, it focuses on a selected app. Also it does TTS.

Using a combi of the large Whisper and koroko/supersonic for TTS. Plugs into dev environments via MCP and hooks (Claude, Codex).

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