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Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by bahmboo »

CmonGoogle wrote: post #130
bahmboo wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google is search. Implicit to that is "find". Their AI integration into search has really hit its stride for me. They have that search box (or speech prompt) hard wired into people and they are finally iterating and crafting AI into that experience. They really failed hard initially. I know others have worse experiences than me but Google knows a lot about me so maybe that affects my results. YMMV

> YMMV It does. Very commonly it will get acronyms wrong or assume I mean something else, even when it should be in my “ad profile” or whatever it bases it off. Often I think the search engine is working perfectly then the LLM is ruining it in delivery. There are other UIs besides chat

You (we) type in some words. 2-8 roughly. You hit enter. Are you saying that in the website results that are presented they are skewed by the LLM taking off to somewhere you aren't intending? Steering you off - like to a place they want you to go?

You say "ruining the delivery". I believe I understand. It is not traditional www text search.

I do have a problem with most chat ai's that always ask a question at the end of their answer. This is where configurability is more important to me than absolute performance. e.g. "don't end an answer with a question unless it is directly relevant to the current conversation.

Yes there are many other UIs besides chat. The default chat UI really bothered me at first. Seemed cheesy. However the majority of human interaction is "chat".

Something that is really really cool in this tech is the vision and audio and text models that naturally cluster similar things in massive multi-dimensional arrays. I have a hard time mapping nut~squirrel~food~imageofnut~dogsaspredators~whateves. How does that condense?

We have come so far on the audio transcription dimension. In this discussion context yes it is still chat but we've moved to a different place in the brain. Not radically different (humans without visual sight come to mind in how the process goes from photons to perception (also see hank green's vid on how the eyes are part of the brain)).

Anyway hope this isn't a throwaway account. That username doesn't inspire confidence in that regard.

What the hell am I doing?

[edit: made things more clear about my un-clear thoughts! I did not shift things in the intent space]

Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by tyre »

baron816 wrote: post #144
mattkevan wrote: post #124

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Maybe if employers offered better working conditions and salaries people wouldn’t feel the need to go on strike?

People have this right to take better jobs at other companies. This is how we get better working conditions: competition between employers. Tech has figured this out. I’ve never felt the need to go on strike. Unions can be a deterrent to this. If you have sectoral bargaining, you can’t get a better deal anywhere because everyone pays the same. Or even if it’s within a single company, you’re just stuck with whatever s…

"Competition is universally good" is what has decimated American manufacturing since Reagan. It's hollowed out the US middle class, which affects what the country can build, purchasing power, and innovation. Free trade policies have destroyed cities, eliminated millions of well-paying jobs, cut social services, and ripped the social fabric from communities. There were no alternatives to just "take a job at a better company"; most manufacturing jobs that left had no alternatives.

It was cynically selfish and short-sighted. The US from 1980–2020 is a perfect example of how much more complex systems, economies, worker dynamics, and second/third/nth order effects are.

Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by dev_dan_2 »

mh- wrote: post #100
bitexploder wrote: post #63

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I work there. I have zero internal knowledge about the model. Opinion my own, etc. I don't think it is worth fighting to win on a month to month time horizon. When you step back and look an inch above this market, Gemini Pro 3.1 as a product was released in February. 6 months. It feels like forever and that Google is behind, but on a 2-3 year horizon? The models are going to stay similar. Also, look at Flash 3.5 to 3…

I'm the CTO of a GCP shop with an 8 figure annual commit. If you'd told me at the end of Cloud Next 2025 that by now Google still wouldn't have a competitive offering to agentic coding offerings from Anthropic (Claude Code + Fable) or OpenAI (Codex + Sol), I wouldn't have believed you. In our non-coding use cases where we're embedding models in our product, we're also not reaching for GCP stuff. Because Anthropic has…

Given your position and the responsibility that comes with it; I sure hope you updated your mental model in another way than simply "they are acting irrational"... It's not clear from your comment that you did, but it sounded a bit like it.

Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by drdaeman »

computerliker wrote: post #116
jackdoe wrote: post #111

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their point is while the 'group' wins, the rest of the world loses. localized gains, distributed loss.

as an art enjoyer, i do not feel that having less media written, drawn, or voiced by a computer is a loss. a computer can never be sad or horny or have taste. it can only make product. i also think artists should be paid living wages with good working conditions. thank you SAG-AFTRA, WGA, IATSE, AEMI and Teamsters.

> a computer can never be sad or horny or have taste

So far ;-)

Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by fatata123 »

mh- wrote: post #100
bitexploder wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work there. I have zero internal knowledge about the model. Opinion my own, etc. I don't think it is worth fighting to win on a month to month time horizon. When you step back and look an inch above this market, Gemini Pro 3.1 as a product was released in February. 6 months. It feels like forever and that Google is behind, but on a 2-3 year horizon? The models are going to stay similar. Also, look at Flash 3.5 to 3…

I'm the CTO of a GCP shop with an 8 figure annual commit. If you'd told me at the end of Cloud Next 2025 that by now Google still wouldn't have a competitive offering to agentic coding offerings from Anthropic (Claude Code + Fable) or OpenAI (Codex + Sol), I wouldn't have believed you. In our non-coding use cases where we're embedding models in our product, we're also not reaching for GCP stuff. Because Anthropic has…

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Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by fuck_google »

magicalist wrote: post #137
sib wrote: post #114

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See current situation where the Carpenters' Union in California is pushing hard against an initiative that would make it much easier to build more housing in the state because it would also reduce requirements for union labor. Unions are very much an in-group vs out-group phenomenon (and in many cases, the benefits are specifically to the more senior union members vis a vis the less senior ones.)

> See current situation where the Carpenters' Union in California is pushing hard against an initiative that would make it much easier to build more housing in the state because it would also reduce requirements for union labor If you're talking about AB 1751 (Missing Middle Townhome Ownership Act) I think you have this exactly backwards. > Unions are very much an in-group vs out-group phenomenon As opposed to what?…

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Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by croon »

arjie wrote: post #23
lambda wrote: post #4

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Many screen and voice actors are unionized, and the unions have been striking and bargaining specifcially over these points. For example: https://sites.suffolk.edu/jhtl/2025/10/30/game-over-for-unau... Software developers, unfortunately, have been convinced that they don't need to unionize, so have no collective bargaining power for dealing with situations like this.

Personally, I just can’t find it in me to be that self-interested. It’s how other people oppose buildings near them because it blocks their view. I really don’t want to stop other people from writing software. If they want to use AI to do it so be it. That’ll be somewhat detrimental to me perhaps (which isn’t certain), but that’s okay. I’d rather attempt to adapt to a changing world.

I'm unsure how you reach the conclusion of "self-interest". Unions are about collective bargaining power, reaching (ideally) what's best for most of the people it represents, even if it's detrimental to you specifically.

Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by andsoitis »

petcat wrote: post #2

I heard a radio spot recently and I wondered if the voice was a real person or AI. It makes we wonder how such industries are dealing with this gen-AI revolution. We spend a lot of time here thinking about how it affects software developers, but I hardly ever see any commentary on how it is affecting screen and voice actors.

> I hardly ever see any commentary on how it is affecting screen and voice actors.

Articles and discussions pop up from time here: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by Dayshine »

sib wrote: post #114
brendoelfrendo wrote: post #108

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This is the first time I've heard someone argue that unionizing is a self-interested pursuit. It's called "collective bargaining" for a reason; workers who cooperate in negotiations with their employers have more leverage than those who negotiate individually. The entire point is to work together for the betterment of the group!

See current situation where the Carpenters' Union in California is pushing hard against an initiative that would make it much easier to build more housing in the state because it would also reduce requirements for union labor. Unions are very much an in-group vs out-group phenomenon (and in many cases, the benefits are specifically to the more senior union members vis a vis the less senior ones.)

> Unions are very much an in-group vs out-group phenomenon (and in many cases, the benefits are specifically to the more senior union members vis a vis the less senior

In the US. In the UK all the major unions I know don't require membership and fight for all employees in the industries they represent. E.g. as a software developer on a research project at a University I got all the negotiated benefits of the academic Union.

Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by Melatonic »

lambda wrote: post #38
arjie wrote: post #23

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Personally, I just can’t find it in me to be that self-interested. It’s how other people oppose buildings near them because it blocks their view. I really don’t want to stop other people from writing software. If they want to use AI to do it so be it. That’ll be somewhat detrimental to me perhaps (which isn’t certain), but that’s okay. I’d rather attempt to adapt to a changing world.

I don't know that unions would necessarily negotiate for no use of AI. The SAG-AFRA deals don't preclude all use of AI; they just requre consent and negotiation in certain cases. A union doesn't give you unilateral power; it just gives you a better seat at the bargaining table. Capital pools its resources to negotiate better as a single bloc; why shouldn't labor as well?

The giant strikes were hugely based on AI issues
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