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Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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Sure. But those making the claim are not talking about that. They're talking about the post 50s abstract expressionism and pop art movements. Just because it says "modern art" doesn't mean it refers to any and all modern art, much less 19th century art or say cubism or dada.

The art of arbitrarily redefining existing terms will never die out.

yea and psyops use that art, its not a modern art

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Who's behind the transgender psy-op? That's the one I really want to know.

> Who's behind the transgender psy-op? Right wing nutjobs who think the most important thing in the world is what exists between your legs. A few years ago there were news stories about a family that decided to raise their child "gender free" and that they would not announce the gender of the child to the world. The outrage that story produced was astonishing. People who would never in their entire life meet that kid…

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Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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I agree. All I see here is someone following in the footsteps of pioneers such as Andy Warhol. His own pink banana was very polarizing in his time.

Andy Warhol - also a post modernist

Yes, I called him a pioneer.

Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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Overall a great point, but I have a nit-pick: > Modern art, as everyone should know, started in 1860s in Europe As someone who is active in the German art scene, the understanding is not that clear-cut. Modern art, as I learned it, is "art in the modern period". So everything after the middle ages. Basically when people stopped only drawing religious art and portraits of nobles. What started in the 1860s is "modernis…

>Basically when people stopped only drawing religious art and portraits of nobles. We drew vastly more art. The kind you describe was just more likely to be preserved as the institutions they were on about and the buildings they resided in persisted.

Based on historical books, funny drawings on toiletes (like boxes they used as toilets and then fertilizer) were super popular.

We dont show them in museums tho.

Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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Not the first time when the Default Country thinks they invented everything. The title is almost comical. Modern art, as everyone should know, started in 1860s in Europe inspired by technological advances, globalization of trade and cultural exchange. Japanese art made huge blast, photography pushed to seek new forms of expression, social progress demanded new messages and new images. We had impressionism, post-impre…

Sure. But those making the claim are not talking about that. They're talking about the post 50s abstract expressionism and pop art movements. Just because it says "modern art" doesn't mean it refers to any and all modern art, much less 19th century art or say cubism or dada.

> Just because it says "modern art" ...

I think we can all agree that naming anything "modern" or "new" or "nu" (for new) is simply deeply dumbfucktarded.

GP talks about the 1860s: I'm sorry but nothing about the 1860s is "modern" in 2026. Just as nothing from 2026 shall be "modern" in 2160.

It's nearly as if at least one of the two hardest problems in computer science, naming things, applied to other things too.

Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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Hah! Nothing new;

"All Art is Propaganda" is a well known quote by various authors - https://quoteinvestigator.com/2024/04/08/art-propaganda/

Also George Orwell wrote a set of essays under that name (though he was primarily indicating Language/Literature) - https://archive.org/details/AllArtIsPropagandaCriticalEssays

Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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Who's behind the transgender psy-op? That's the one I really want to know.

> Who's behind the transgender psy-op? Right wing nutjobs who think the most important thing in the world is what exists between your legs. A few years ago there were news stories about a family that decided to raise their child "gender free" and that they would not announce the gender of the child to the world. The outrage that story produced was astonishing. People who would never in their entire life meet that kid…

She's spending her time and money advocating for women's rights, actually.

Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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post #127

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I agree that it is incredibly stupid to call something from 1870 "modern". The word modern has a a clear meaning of "just now" / "contemporary". Not two hundred years ago. It shouldn't be attached to anything that can age out of this meaning.

Meanwhile historians are out there, regarding things from 500 years ago as modern.

This doesn't change the meaning of the word modern, though. It just uses a different scale. The same way the Moon is "right next to" the Earth.

However, when you tie the word "new" or in this case "modern" to a time period that was over a hundred years ago you are just setting yourself up for failure and have to make do with calling things "after new" or in this case "post modern". But then where will this end?

What was wrong with calling periods proper names like Renaissance, Baroque and Romantic?

Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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post #257

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> Who's behind the transgender psy-op? Right wing nutjobs who think the most important thing in the world is what exists between your legs. A few years ago there were news stories about a family that decided to raise their child "gender free" and that they would not announce the gender of the child to the world. The outrage that story produced was astonishing. People who would never in their entire life meet that kid…

She's spending her time and money advocating for women's rights, actually.

Agreed. There's no point arguing with people like this though. I've learned that it gets no where, they're a lost cause.

Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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Not the first time when the Default Country thinks they invented everything. The title is almost comical. Modern art, as everyone should know, started in 1860s in Europe inspired by technological advances, globalization of trade and cultural exchange. Japanese art made huge blast, photography pushed to seek new forms of expression, social progress demanded new messages and new images. We had impressionism, post-impre…

'modern' is such an omnibus of a term. I was recently looking at Jasper John's American Flag and it hit me that the stars are weird---because it is from 1955 so before Hawaii and Alaska, and so it has 48 stars in even rows. It was amusing to realize that this epitomy of modern art is quite ancient :)
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