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Re: Show HN: The load-bearing vocabulary of Claude

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Post by SalariedSlave »

I've recently seen this mentioned more and more, both on HN and on reddit. It seems these output patterns are getting worse. It's not just Claude, my impression is that all of the current models have this style issue. Their writing can get borderline incomprehensible.

Is there some feedback loop or compounding happening with each model generation? Maybe newer models are ingesting too much AI content? If the ratio of AI generated content in training data is getting higher and higher (because the amount of AI generated content is increasing in general), maybe this is a compounding bias, poisoning the training?

Re: Show HN: The load-bearing vocabulary of Claude

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Post by cromka »

SalariedSlave wrote: post #121

I've recently seen this mentioned more and more, both on HN and on reddit. It seems these output patterns are getting worse. It's not just Claude, my impression is that all of the current models have this style issue. Their writing can get borderline incomprehensible. Is there some feedback loop or compounding happening with each model generation? Maybe newer models are ingesting too much AI content? If the ratio of…

The going conclusion is they’re getting models ready to talk to other agents, not people.

Re: Show HN: The load-bearing vocabulary of Claude

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Post by viccis »

nater5000 wrote: post #4

I was pleasantly surprised when I attempted to scroll down and realized everything the author wanted to present fit on-screen. It's almost ironic that this site is able to make such an obvious, compelling presentation without being overly verbose or complicated (something which LLMs have a hard time doing). I wouldn't read TOO deeply into what is being presented, but the author has done a good job to not inject their…

>I suspect, as we continue forward, humans will slowly start to adopt the language of LLMs

I'm already seeing it. A coworker said something like " added the color to the ticket here" meaning that someone added details to a ticket.

I've started seeing Opus 5 talk about "hermetic testing" when it just means "unit testing", so I hope that doesn't catch on...

Re: Show HN: The load-bearing vocabulary of Claude

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Post by malshe »

About a year and half ago I frequently used ChatGPT for speech to text conversion followed by summarizing the text because I ramble. Although the people receiving the text knew this, I absolutely hated AI's writing style. So I fine-tuned GPT 4o on about 500 short paragraphs and created a desktop app only for my use. It worked fine until about three months ago. It just can't handle the atrocious writing by latest GPT and Claude models. I tried to fine-tune newer models on HF but there is no way I can get rid of the cringy writing style. I even tried converting GPT 5.6 Sol's writing to GPT 4o and then using my app. Nothing works.

Re: Show HN: The load-bearing vocabulary of Claude

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Post by alwa »

SalariedSlave wrote: post #118
Labo333 wrote: post #21

Author here! Grateful for the kind words, human communities like HN really hit differently when you spend the whole day chatting with sycophantic and bullshitting agents (including to make this page). I'm currently adding a search bar as well as increasing the data to 1000 PR per day. A nice thing that is not obvious on the main page is that the dataset and analysis are updated daily using Github Actions (at least wh…

Great work, thanks for sharing! The design is really impressive. Beautiful and dense, yet very understandable. How did you come up with this particular design? It's really nice and everything fits, the colors, the layout, all of it. Were you inspired by anything in particular? I feel like this reminds me of something, but I don't remember what exactly.

I agree with you, I really like OP's design choices, even more so amidst the flood of Claude-Generic these days. Although Claude just can't resist those little muted-toned ui-monospace small-caps...

It reminds me of Neue Grafik/Swiss Style, and Vignelli:

https://designreviewed.com/series/neue-grafik-new-graphic-de...

https://www.printmag.com/featured/swiss-style-principles-typ...

https://www.designculture.it/interview/massimo-vignelli.html

https://andrewclark.co.uk/all-media/the-vignelli-canon

Re: Show HN: The load-bearing vocabulary of Claude

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Post by reliablereason »

SalariedSlave wrote: post #121

I've recently seen this mentioned more and more, both on HN and on reddit. It seems these output patterns are getting worse. It's not just Claude, my impression is that all of the current models have this style issue. Their writing can get borderline incomprehensible. Is there some feedback loop or compounding happening with each model generation? Maybe newer models are ingesting too much AI content? If the ratio of…

It's likely/It could be an effect of more reinforcement learning in training compared to earlier. You need loots of RL to learn to code well.

Re: Show HN: The load-bearing vocabulary of Claude

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Post by Sharlin »

thewebguyd wrote: post #85
rsanheim wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"seam" dates back to refactoring & software engineering literature that pre-date LLM use by 20 years -- see Working Effectively With Legacy Code for one example ( https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/working-effectively-wit... ). Its a great book, still use techniques from it everyday. "load-bearing" I have never heard used for programming before Opus, and its incredibly annoying and over-used.

load-bearing was/is used frequently on the ops side of things, I assume the LLMs picked up from physical engineering texts or sysadmin type blogs.

"Load-bearing" is an apt metaphor in the https://xkcd.com/2347/ sense.
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