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Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by lxgr »

HolyLampshade wrote: post #833
lxgr wrote: post #757

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything but ISINs, I guess...

I tried for a while to push internally and amongst a few of the markets to move to ISIN, Currency, MIC but yeah…anything but that. Honestly the problem is the ticker is too valuable advertising for the listed company, and since listings are not governed by a central regulator in the same way they are in Europe, for example, there’s always going to be this sort of friction about who is willing to bend the most to win…

I think ISINs being used in Europe might even predate the EU taking charge of a lot of financial market regulation.

Probably they became more popular/important specifically because tickers did not, which in turn is probably because there are so many countries/exchanges that a global exchange-driven namespace was never really feasible?

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by Danox »

MotoriX wrote: post #703

Nvidia buying Hugging Face would give them even more control over the AI ecosystem. The big question is whether Hugging Face could remain truly neutral once it’s owned by a chipmaker with plenty of competitors.

No Hugging Face as you know is dead it’s just a matter of time.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by AntiqueFig »

codemog wrote: post #577
armcat wrote: post #551

HF has been a close part of my ML/AI career, coinciding exactly when I moved into this space 10 years ago. There are lot of nuances here (if the deal goes through). Some people say it's a loss for EU sovereign AI but HF is technically an American corporation. On the positive note, the founders (Julien, Thomas and Clem - all French) stem to make significant amount of money, which they are likely to pour into a new fro…

> which they are likely to pour into a new frontier AI lab in Europe HF was.. a hub to download models and some of the worst source code in the space that contributed to huge amounts bugs that did a lot of downstream damage. Go ahead and read their blog by their CTO on how they don’t believe in DRY and then implemented DRY in the worst way imaginable with unnecessary code generation. Their BLOOM model was a joke and…

> But yea these guys are definitely going to be the frontier of EU AI.

Yeah probably more like the frontier of early retirement.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by Eval-Apply »

SillyUsername wrote: post #360

This isn't a good thing for open source. Nvidia don't share CUDA, don't open source their drivers, don't support capable but older hardware (forget Pascal etc), and generally charge a premium over competitors for hardware. This acquisition will likely solidify this general stance, reduce free compute allowance for a subscription, cap downloads, push advertising, generally favour models that are Nvidia prescribed or h…

CUDA is partially open and partially closed.

Closed Core: Driver, compiler (nvcc), runtime, assembler (PTX/SASS). Closed Libraries: cuDNN, cuBLAS, OptiX.

Open Libraries: CCCL (Thrust, CUB, libcudacxx), CV-CUDA (Vision), CUDA-Q (Quantum). Open Tooling: CUDA Python bindings, NVIDIA Kernel Module (Linux driver outer layer).

Nvidia is working with Red Hat to develop the NOVA driver and with Valve to develop NVK, which will be the future open-source drivers.

Nvidia supported the Pascal architecture for 10 years. No other graphics company did that. AMD recently made the RDNA 2 architecture legacy after only 5 years.

Nvidia is that most promotes open models and contributes significantly through Nemotron and various hardware-level optimizers. I think the value has more to do with the potential dominance of the open model ecosystem.

https://x.com/ctnzr/status/2072715518373777812

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by Danox »

croes wrote: post #830
xienze wrote: post #687

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> Who knows what i sthe next big thing after AI. Maybe something that doesn't need Linux? And Nvidia hardware was running on Linux before AI as well... > And I'm not so sure that Mac is out of the equation Mac servers exist but anyone serious about running at scale isn't using them for a number of reasons, not least of which is that Apple simply doesn't make real servers anymore...

> Apple simply doesn't make real servers anymore... That could change. Who says they don’t switch to hardware manufacturing for AI servers

They have the money they have the capability design and engineering in house and they are vertical. The question is whether or not they have the will, one thing that might help them come to a decision is that they now have an engineer CEO from the Apple Silicon, part of the company and not a bean counter.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by ckrapu »

I am quite happy to see such a successful outcome for this team. When looking at the landscape of AI-adjacent startups, rarely do you see such a nice balance between following the hype and providing a sufficiently useful and general service that makes technology more accessible to all.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by Danox »

croes wrote: post #524
miki123211 wrote: post #468

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I heavily disagree. Nvidia has a strong interest in open source AI being a strong contender to proprietary models. They don't want a single AI company to win, as that company would then have enormous leverage over Nvidia, and could perhaps even erode the Cuda moat with their own chip spending. They want the AI market to be hypercompetitive, with AI companies focusing on competing amongst themselves instead of with Nv…

As long as the models run best on Nvidia hardware. What will happen if models are faster on Apple or AMD hardware?

Prediction Apple will find the exit…

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by Danox »

croes wrote: post #530
j45 wrote: post #526

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Nvidia being making it clear that other hardware models will permanently not become second class citizens in any way would be a great start.

Talk is cheap, so no need to claim that in the first place. Of course they could make it legally binding but they won't do it. They will be as free as the Washington Post after the aquisition by Bezos. Wait and see is the only thing we can do.

You haven’t been paying attention to Washington Post isn’t free to do anything they want under Jeff Bezos…

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by 1123581321 »

sixothree wrote: post #713
1123581321 wrote: post #236

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I’m not sure your point, sorry.

I was not making a point. I was trying to clarify the example. But after the answers, I do think his example is poor. Models available at HF have many purposes and will run on many platforms. Commenters here are suggesting this will no longer be the case. Whereas the example Workflow (iOS only) -> Shortcuts (iOS only), there was no change in that regard.

I see; thanks.
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