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Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by CmonGoogle »

The AI brand fragmentation at Google is not yet a problem because everyone is pretending:

x There are so-called “SOTA” or “frontier” models that are more effective than the other ones (independent of harnessing and routing)

x OpenAI and Anthropic have all the SOTA models and lead all the innovation

x Google’s moat is its search bread/butter (it’s the only reason they’re relevant)

All 3 operating assumptions are - I think - false.

What Google has done that the “cuter products” (Claude, ChatGPT) haven’t is connected relatively standard LLMs to an externally valuable live service.

As more companies realize that is where all the value is (the service) and not in the AI capability, then products (and humans) become important again.

Google should just be Google again, and Gemini should be Gemini, off to the side. Omni confuses everyone (and angers some iykyk), they should resolve “AI mode”, rename Gemma? and consolidate the brand overall so it’s clear what Google is.

Google is search.

It helps people on all sides of the market find what they’re looking for.

I don’t really see how repeatedly reinventing and rebranding the same AI chat UX is accomplishing anything toward that goal.

Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by polytely »

I'm still getting major uncanny valley from any of the videos featuring humans, something about them disgusts me. I guess I should be glad I'm still able to distinguish them.

Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by boredatoms »

lambda wrote: post #4
petcat wrote: post #2

I heard a radio spot recently and I wondered if the voice was a real person or AI. It makes we wonder how such industries are dealing with this gen-AI revolution. We spend a lot of time here thinking about how it affects software developers, but I hardly ever see any commentary on how it is affecting screen and voice actors.

Many screen and voice actors are unionized, and the unions have been striking and bargaining specifcially over these points. For example: https://sites.suffolk.edu/jhtl/2025/10/30/game-over-for-unau... Software developers, unfortunately, have been convinced that they don't need to unionize, so have no collective bargaining power for dealing with situations like this.

No one has offered a union to join at any workplace Ive been at

Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by smallerize »

arjie wrote: post #23
lambda wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many screen and voice actors are unionized, and the unions have been striking and bargaining specifcially over these points. For example: https://sites.suffolk.edu/jhtl/2025/10/30/game-over-for-unau... Software developers, unfortunately, have been convinced that they don't need to unionize, so have no collective bargaining power for dealing with situations like this.

Personally, I just can’t find it in me to be that self-interested. It’s how other people oppose buildings near them because it blocks their view. I really don’t want to stop other people from writing software. If they want to use AI to do it so be it. That’ll be somewhat detrimental to me perhaps (which isn’t certain), but that’s okay. I’d rather attempt to adapt to a changing world.

You may be surprised to know that residential areas in San Francisco are height limited, sometimes as short as 4 stories. They're not exactly anti-progress.

Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by bubblemoth »

porridgeraisin wrote: post #29
petcat wrote: post #2

I heard a radio spot recently and I wondered if the voice was a real person or AI. It makes we wonder how such industries are dealing with this gen-AI revolution. We spend a lot of time here thinking about how it affects software developers, but I hardly ever see any commentary on how it is affecting screen and voice actors.

A lot of it will get automated the same way very many industries got automated. A lot of physical labour got automated once a primitive for it was created. Similarly, we have now a primitive for automating knowledge work. In the next few years to a decade, as all the right training data and runtime environments are slowly consolidated for various fields, a lot will be automated. There is no inherent reason a voice ac…

I don't really like comparing the way automation of the past displaced jobs to the way AI is/will displace jobs. The timeline is just faster and, more importantly, there were still plenty of other fields of work for people to go to.

But now that we are automating white collar work... where will people go? I'm a 36 year-old veteran who has returned to college and so many of the younger students seem to be filled with despair.

I have hope for the future, but I think there will be an uncomfortable period of time.

Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by BeetleB »

smallerize wrote: post #34
arjie wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I just can’t find it in me to be that self-interested. It’s how other people oppose buildings near them because it blocks their view. I really don’t want to stop other people from writing software. If they want to use AI to do it so be it. That’ll be somewhat detrimental to me perhaps (which isn’t certain), but that’s okay. I’d rather attempt to adapt to a changing world.

You may be surprised to know that residential areas in San Francisco are height limited, sometimes as short as 4 stories. They're not exactly anti-progress.

Height limiting is anti-progress, which was his point.

Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by BeetleB »

r_lee wrote: post #6
lambda wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many screen and voice actors are unionized, and the unions have been striking and bargaining specifcially over these points. For example: https://sites.suffolk.edu/jhtl/2025/10/30/game-over-for-unau... Software developers, unfortunately, have been convinced that they don't need to unionize, so have no collective bargaining power for dealing with situations like this.

it's hilarious to see some people here go on about how they're proud to work so that they can be replaced I think too many just expect that they can get by like before because they're a 10x engineer or whatever

Much of computing history has been about replacing humans. If they were proud of their work pre-LLMs, then at least they're being consistent!

It's kind of hypocritical to change just because it's now a different industry being impacted.

Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by lambda »

arjie wrote: post #23
lambda wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many screen and voice actors are unionized, and the unions have been striking and bargaining specifcially over these points. For example: https://sites.suffolk.edu/jhtl/2025/10/30/game-over-for-unau... Software developers, unfortunately, have been convinced that they don't need to unionize, so have no collective bargaining power for dealing with situations like this.

Personally, I just can’t find it in me to be that self-interested. It’s how other people oppose buildings near them because it blocks their view. I really don’t want to stop other people from writing software. If they want to use AI to do it so be it. That’ll be somewhat detrimental to me perhaps (which isn’t certain), but that’s okay. I’d rather attempt to adapt to a changing world.

I don't know that unions would necessarily negotiate for no use of AI. The SAG-AFRA deals don't preclude all use of AI; they just requre consent and negotiation in certain cases.

A union doesn't give you unilateral power; it just gives you a better seat at the bargaining table. Capital pools its resources to negotiate better as a single bloc; why shouldn't labor as well?

Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

#39

Post by fl4regun »

fg137 wrote: post #13
037 wrote: post #7

Prompt engineering tip for Google employees: just add "P.S. Make sure the page works in Firefox too."

It is in their business interest to ignore Firefox.

Then they aren't doing a very good job of it.

>Firefox makes up about 90 percent of Mozilla’s revenue, according to Muhlheim, the finance chief for the organization’s for-profit arm — which in turn helps fund the nonprofit Mozilla Foundation. About 85 percent of that revenue comes from its deal with Google, he added.

https://www.theverge.com/news/660548/firefox-google-search-r...

Re: Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash

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Post by aloknnikhil »

polytely wrote: post #32

I'm still getting major uncanny valley from any of the videos featuring humans, something about them disgusts me. I guess I should be glad I'm still able to distinguish them.

Something in their eyes. Looks very robotic / lifeless for me. And the sound-mixing is very off. Clearly feels like the voice was layered on top of whatever sound is in the background and not blended.
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