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Post by esseph »

hparadiz wrote: post #266
nlitened wrote: post #245

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I think Pareto principle applies here: most discussions will be shallow, only occasionally diving deep — and Twitter acknowledges that reality, and builds around it.

The real problem is that places like HN and Reddit allow downvotes / reports to drown people out. Someone on Twitter will post on their page. They control it. It can be slop. It can be low quality. It can be their random thoughts but all that is irrelevant while you slowly build up your audience and the stuff you wanna work on. This generally takes time and is something that grows organically. Meanwhile on HN I will…

> On Twitter there is a highly active community of space enthusiasts. Absolutely none of them would post slop like "Elon is not an engineer"

You live in an algo bubble!

TONS of intelligent people with backgrounds in space, defense and technology say it all the time on Twitter.

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Post by hparadiz »

esseph wrote: post #391
hparadiz wrote: post #266

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The real problem is that places like HN and Reddit allow downvotes / reports to drown people out. Someone on Twitter will post on their page. They control it. It can be slop. It can be low quality. It can be their random thoughts but all that is irrelevant while you slowly build up your audience and the stuff you wanna work on. This generally takes time and is something that grows organically. Meanwhile on HN I will…

> On Twitter there is a highly active community of space enthusiasts. Absolutely none of them would post slop like "Elon is not an engineer" You live in an algo bubble! TONS of intelligent people with backgrounds in space, defense and technology say it all the time on Twitter.

And all of them are wrong.

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Post by angoragoats »

aboardRat4 wrote: post #243
numpad0 wrote: post #165

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I wonder if "no one says no" culture is practically the same thing as instructing LLMs to always hallucinate. You know, LLM hallucination is a phenomenon where the AI would generate syntactically bulletproof chunks of text that are not grounded in reality. Lots of efforts by frontier LLM labs had been made in past few years to solve this by enabling AIs to refute premises in the prompt. Ordinary people still need to…

Hallucination is not something specific to LLM by any means. Remember when you were a kid, your teacher probably told you "At an exam, leave no question unanswered, even if you don't know what to write. Nobody is penalised for wrong answers, but even total gibberish might sometimes add a half-point to your score".

Yes, but LLMs are hallucination machines by design. What I mean by this is that everything the LLM generates is a hallucination, untethered from truth or reality, since the data is generated purely based on statistics around what word is most likely to come next. This type of algorithm can never model "truth" or "fact."

To the extent that an LLM generates something factual or realistic, it's doing so either accidentally, or because of the various band-aids that the grandparent post describes which will never fully solve the problem.

Re: Twitter Viewer – View Twitter Without Account

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Post by iAMkenough »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #162
iAMkenough wrote: post #48

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I think you’re talking to bots. Anything that doesn’t align with Trump/Elon’s perceived worldview gets downvoted here.

No, he's downvoted because he's saying objectively false things like "Musk is a mass murderer", and subjective but unproductive things like "he's a Nazi". You can dislike Elon Musk and make that point in a mature way that actually leads to a good discussion. People do that all the time and don't get flak for it. This poster has chosen to be incendiary, and people dislike flamebait so it got downvoted.

My point is still valid. The richest man in the world cares so much about public perception that he pays to influence public discussions and elections.

He is petty enough to buy bots to downvote valid criticisms and interject AI-generated logical fallacies to derail discussion attempts.

Re: Twitter Viewer – View Twitter Without Account

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Post by grishka »

inigyou wrote: post #381
grishka wrote: post #172

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I've had people send me reels as links to ddinstagram.com and kkinstagram.com, which at least in Telegram, get transformed into a video that can be played inline from the link preview and downloaded.

These "embed fixers" aren't hated by platforms nearly as much as alternative front-ends are.

Yes but they do let you view the content without an account, so that does partially answer the question in the comment I was replying to.

Re: Twitter Viewer – View Twitter Without Account

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Post by numpad0 »

aboardRat4 wrote: post #243
numpad0 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if "no one says no" culture is practically the same thing as instructing LLMs to always hallucinate. You know, LLM hallucination is a phenomenon where the AI would generate syntactically bulletproof chunks of text that are not grounded in reality. Lots of efforts by frontier LLM labs had been made in past few years to solve this by enabling AIs to refute premises in the prompt. Ordinary people still need to…

Hallucination is not something specific to LLM by any means. Remember when you were a kid, your teacher probably told you "At an exam, leave no question unanswered, even if you don't know what to write. Nobody is penalised for wrong answers, but even total gibberish might sometimes add a half-point to your score".

That's what I'm saying. Musk corp guys seem ungrounded and hallucinating a ton like early GPTs.

Re: Twitter Viewer – View Twitter Without Account

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Post by pjc50 »

inigyou wrote: post #343
pjc50 wrote: post #282

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I think if you think that technologies which were around for decades before social media took off are equivalent to social media, then it's actually on you for missing what the difference is. See HN classics of "No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame" and "you can replicate dropbox with webdav"; at some point you have to stop thinking that it's everyone else who is wrong and work out what they want which you're m…

Yeah but you have to think about what that convenience actually is. You can't just say "twitter is convenient". Visiting someone's website is actually much easier than visiting their Twitter, so what happened?

Scrolling Twitter is a lot easier than visiting a thousand websites, and it auto suggests new content. In its case, the power of suggestion is used for bad, but it's important.

Also, replies and retweets.

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Post by saintfire »

KPGv2 wrote: post #311
vincnetas wrote: post #270

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Yes, no, try to have group chat with SMS, and tell me how that went...

RTS is the SMS replacement and is quite old. And as evidence it works, I direct your attention to the ubiquitous iMessage, which only "couldn't" interop with Android because Apple was trying the vendor lock-in approach and actively enshittifying its own users' experience and blaming it on Android users.

Assuming you mean RCS, to which Google built a proprietary E2EE extension, remains the only client with no API to build off of and if I recall requires play attestation.

Hardly a complete solution, it devolved into a Google power grab, in my opinion.

For once I half agree with apple when they say its less secure, as apple-to-google comms are not E2EE like they are for google-to-google. While that is fixable with a hack its still a hack, not part of the protocol.

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