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Small Models Have Arrived

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Re: Small Models Have Arrived

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Small is relative. I'm looking for models that I can with run around 100 MiB mark (RAM just for the weights) to demo what you can do with this little memory. I know of SmolLM 2 which in Q4 is borderline regarding the size and rather dated. There is also TinyStories, which is also old and also focussed on children's stories. Is there anything newer in this category? Or should I try to distill something down to this si…

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Re: Small Models Have Arrived

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> Peter runs multiple companies. Beyond Segment, he's raised $100m+ for Charm Industrial, and just recently closed a Series A for Revoy. He's incredibly organized and efficient with his time. You can do this before an exit? Build and fundraise for multiple (3?) companies at the same time?

Segment had a $3B+ exit to Twilio back in 2020.

Re: Small Models Have Arrived

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"Small models" nowadays work like someone who has IQ 100+ while SOTA ones are like 150, "relatively".

Given sheer number of turns I can make with small models, I can do a lotta stufff

- cheaper, and faster

Harness makes differences: There have been many HN posts about how one made tiny models work better at certain tasks using harnesses.

These "small" models with right context, and guidance, they work wonders.

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I've been saying Luna has been my go-to AI in previous comments and why Luna is still more compelling than GLM-5.3-flash.

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49450353#49452248

Re: Small Models Have Arrived

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> But I also think the demand for "fast/cheap/good-enough" models is just about to take off. There's a sort of "revelation" I had in ~early '24 when I used a 7B local model with a library called Guidance (initially out of MS, then the team moved) to create a flow where the model would receive pseudocode for tests, first write the tests, and once I approved then started writing code until the tests passed. This was be…

While they are improving rapidly, or as you say even if they don't. The next stage is for hardware companies ( cough Apple cough ) to ship these Local Model ready hardware in their products.

It will be interesting to track the improvements of these 7B model over time.

There will be a turning point in the next few years where it attract enough consumer attention to create yet another Smartphone and PC super cycle.

Re: Small Models Have Arrived

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Maybe I'm being super reductive here, but operating small models at the core of your business kind of moves the needle from making external API calls (against frontier models) to running internal API calls (against your locally-run models). It seems like if we want local models to take off, it will need to become easier to run local models for cheap. I'm thinking like reducing the barrier of entry for running "local…

I only run local models and I don't give them access to much externally. I don't do anything serious with it, but it comes in handy and I know that they can do so much more. I'm on a meager RTX 3060 12GB and a GTX 1660 Ti with 6GB for some extra vram space. When I first started playing with local models, I was really impressed with what I was able to achieve locally. That's great, but the thing that worries me is tha…

I am very excited that more makers will come up with fast memory for consumers rather than enterprise. Companies can only pre order so much RAM.

At some point there will be a surplus of fast memory and even in a crash the current generation of SLMs are bounced to be plenty to build a lot of intelligence at home.

Re: Small Models Have Arrived

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> the "token spewer" work. being ultra responsive, pushing the ball forward across dozens of different fronts... ~95% of the work he does falls into bucket 2. It's hopping on calls. Nudging people. Blocking and tackling.

This is a good insight broadly!

Re: Small Models Have Arrived

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Same. Mistral 7b has been more than I ever needed for text for years now. Unless you must 1-shot with no harness it’s the same amount of power, maybe more because the big “good” models make too many assumptions and tend to become rigid. Mistral 7b can do anything, and it’s basically instant even on an M3

What kind of work are you doing? For example, if I have some code in the hot path and I want to do all the usual tricks to help the compiler vectorize it, such a small model is not able to do much.

RAG is your friend (or any vector db). No model can vectorize an entire codebase in context.

Even a big mainstream product (like Gemini) cannot handle more than ~1k lines without missing details and making mistakes. And about every 1k lines, it seems to forget the previous 1k, doesn’t it? So you can never hold more than a file or 2 (or 3) in context at a time without losing details.

What you find is that the big models like Gemini are doing vector storage and retrieval too, and breaking prompts down into chunks for various models to handle to assemble a thorough response.

If you want that kind of control in your outputs, and be able to hold a lot in your inputs, I don’t see any other way regardless of which model you use.

Re: Small Models Have Arrived

#58

It makes sense that we’ll see “room at the bottom” strategies. Currently, large parameter counts seem to be slush funds of world knowledge, language skills (because language’s nuances and open vocabulary make it high-dimensional), and reasoning primitives, the general belief being that the latter takes up the least space in the model. There are many applications where world knowledge is unnecessary or even a negative…

Everyone wants this to be it but over and over we discover that the bigger a model is the better it is at all tasks, even ones far outside the domain it was optimized for. IE claude fable is better at writing both code and prose than smaller code- and prose-specific models. The way vision and language models converge into the same geometric space should be extremely alarming for the "you don't need global knowledge f…

I think the context here is that small models run locally, not rented from a cloud.

Re: Small Models Have Arrived

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. Mistral 7b has been more than I ever needed for text for years now. Unless you must 1-shot with no harness it’s the same amount of power, maybe more because the big “good” models make too many assumptions and tend to become rigid. Mistral 7b can do anything, and it’s basically instant even on an M3

Sounds interesting. Can you give more details on your workflow and what tasks you use it for?

Code, creative writing, email summaries, automated email replies, and I prefill my invoice notes and daily updates for work.

Actually built a full invoicing product for that, using it too.

I use Mistral 7b and LlamaIndexTS on Node, I run it on a MacBook M3 and on a Linux server with only 8GB VRAM (old gaming PC).

Basically flawless, runs very fast and I don’t even know what paying for “tokens” is :)

Re: Small Models Have Arrived

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Having multiple 6 year old cards doesn't seem like it's that big of burden for local LLMs. I get that a lot of people don't have them. And a single one can be VERY performant. And the smaller models like a 7B can run on much smaller hardware like a mid-range [3|4|5]060. My entire AI Dev Box cost $4500 in parts. 128GB RAM, i7-10700, 1TB and 2TB SSD, and 2x 3090s. Today's prices and inflation have definitely made that…

A single, used 3090 costs more than I have ever spent on a computer.

My single 3080 runs so hot I don't need to warm my room in winter, and have to play games in my underwear in summer.
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