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Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Sometimes I wonder if anybody on this website has ever actually done professional software engineering at scale. What a ridiculous take.

It isn't an awful 'surface level take'. I'm not that familiar either, and so had same question. I thought they just hosted other peoples models. So why the value of 13B?

Buying a company is very rarely about buying the tech, at least principally. It is true, as others have pointed out, that Nvidia could have "rolled their own" Hugging Face far more cheaply and probably in about the same amount of time as it will take to execute the deal end to end. That should give you a clue that the tech isn't really the target here

More than anything, they are buying a position within the ecosystem. Many of us could get a version of an app deployed in short order that implements most core HF functionality, but I am sorry to say that this is very far from the "hard part" of building a business, and this was the case even before coding agents were a thing. It's no small thing to become the first tool pretty much everyone reaches for in a particular niche, and therefore the incumbent in that niche

And there's lots of inertia keeping companies and developers on these incumbents like HF and GitHub -- see also Microsoft's play here dumping billions into a company that is basically peanuts and probably nowhere near as profitable as Microsoft normally would like. But they bought it at a time when they were trying to make Microsoft synonymous with open source, and it was a great play to that end. Likewise Nvidia wants to be synonymous with AI. Even if HF is a loss leader, the positioning is probably worth it

To a lesser degree, Nvidia probably also might like to reinvigorate its flagging cloud compute business and this could be a natural way to do that. At least TechCrunch thinks this, but I, an overconfident layperson, feel that the positioning is where most of the value is for Nvidia, and consolidating that will act as a force multiplier for that + anything else they may want to do with this space

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Soo, what are they buying exactly? Can I setup a forgejo instance, upload a bunch of open source models to it and get bought out for $13bln? I fail to see the point of this. Their inference hosting is a joke (I don't think I ever had a working response from a "try this model" form). Their brand alone surely is not worth this much. So what are they paying for? I worry the answer is, for control over who is allowed to…

Hugging Face's internal storage system is more sophisticated now after they acquired XetHub. They have a clever way to chunk and content dedupe the data that makes it a lot more efficient to version control large files.

Surely you could now vibe code such system for under $1,000.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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I wonder if Cloudflare would find a cause to exclude them because I can't imagine the transfer amounts this would generate.

Nothing is free on cloudflare enterprise plans and they will make you move to enterprise once you start using enough services.

I'm using Cloudflare Enterprise and the R2 add-on is provisioned where we only pay for storage, not egress.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Hugging Face's internal storage system is more sophisticated now after they acquired XetHub. They have a clever way to chunk and content dedupe the data that makes it a lot more efficient to version control large files.

Surely you could now vibe code such system for under $1,000.

I highly doubt it, there's about a million things that only show up at scale that aren't lessons the bots can easily digest from Medium posts and bypass

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Vertically integrated monopolies naturally have aligned in incentives for themselves, which allows more capture which turns out bad for customers. Whether it is a monopoly is an open question.

This isn't vertical integration. This is a commoditize your complements play and that does benefit customers. Nvidia benefits from supporting the open model ecosystem, if models are a commodity the gpus become what's scarce.

Oh, I totally agree, this alone is not vertical integration, but can be a path too it, long term being able to vertically integrate undercutting others that would be on top of the chain then retracting the open model.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Soo, what are they buying exactly? Can I setup a forgejo instance, upload a bunch of open source models to it and get bought out for $13bln? I fail to see the point of this. Their inference hosting is a joke (I don't think I ever had a working response from a "try this model" form). Their brand alone surely is not worth this much. So what are they paying for? I worry the answer is, for control over who is allowed to…

Sometimes I wonder if anybody on this website has ever actually done professional software engineering at scale. What a ridiculous take.

Did you read the model hack that occured on their platform? I wouldn't exactly call them "advanced" if their security practices are anything to go by.

Code is hard but more likely it is a brand thing which is much harder to do. Nvidia for years now has tried to get a public ai model hub of sorts working. This is obviously them throwing in the towel.

It's such an obvious customer funnel they have been trying for years to make.

1. Customer googles "some model" 2. Hugging face is often top result 3. Thinks it's great 4. Buys

The customers are already on hugging face.

Acting like code is the blocker here would be very wrong. Nvidia 200% has the technical knowhow to make a hugging face platform and they'd likely make it better.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

#828

Soo, what are they buying exactly? Can I setup a forgejo instance, upload a bunch of open source models to it and get bought out for $13bln? I fail to see the point of this. Their inference hosting is a joke (I don't think I ever had a working response from a "try this model" form). Their brand alone surely is not worth this much. So what are they paying for? I worry the answer is, for control over who is allowed to…

It's a narrative to pump the stock. Nothing more. Nvidia could have build out this infrastructure themselves for less than 1% of the cost, but it wouldn't have a name like Huggingface does.

It's a customer funnel. They've been attempting a similar product for years and nobody cares.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Hugging Face's internal storage system is more sophisticated now after they acquired XetHub. They have a clever way to chunk and content dedupe the data that makes it a lot more efficient to version control large files.

Surely you could now vibe code such system for under $1,000.

There's more to than just the website. You have network bandwidth costs, security costs, infrastructure costs.

You can't just spin up a VPS and throw a few brain jar's in; the network bandwidth must be a fortune. Hosting over 700GB+ for many of the same models has storage cost too.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Who knows what i sthe next big thing after AI. Maybe something that doesn't need Linux? And I'm not so sure that Mac is out of the equation

> Who knows what i sthe next big thing after AI. Maybe something that doesn't need Linux? And Nvidia hardware was running on Linux before AI as well... > And I'm not so sure that Mac is out of the equation Mac servers exist but anyone serious about running at scale isn't using them for a number of reasons, not least of which is that Apple simply doesn't make real servers anymore...

> Apple simply doesn't make real servers anymore...

That could change.

Who says they don’t switch to hardware manufacturing for AI servers

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