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Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by nekusar »

DANmode wrote: post #217
nekusar wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, GrapheneOS is anti-user-freedom. They do their damndest to prevent owners from having full control of their property, over claims of 'insecurity'. And complaints of this nature get inane drivel responses of "lol just fork Graphene"

> GrapheneOS is anti-user-freedom. This is a really, really poor-quality take. > complaints of this nature get inane drivel responses of "lol just fork Graphene" It’s a fork of AOSP, which you can just…use.

Uh, no. Shaming a "take" is just tone policing. Owners should own the hardware along with the software both.

Its only since the smartphone era (2008) with locked down shit devices has this view changed. And people challenging this are somehow defective, tone policed, shamed, or likewise.

GrapheneOS users are treated as 'rooted phones', at the exact same time tools that would attack and prevent corporate surveillance (xprivacy, etc) are withheld cause they would involve root.

Even this thread is full of a lot of anti-owner hand wavey shit that amounts to 'we don't trust our users, and fork you'. https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/18953-why-the-stigma-agains...

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by Melatonic »

HenriTEL wrote: post #189
axegon_ wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's your argument? Mate, you can make explosives out of stuff you can buy in literally any supermarket and no one bats an eyelash. You don't have to legally be adult to buy any of the things you'd need and I say that as someone who only struggled with chemistry in school, that's now low the bar is. What's the solution then? Ban sea salt? If someone is using Graphene, the chances of them getting hacked are astronom…

The problem here seems to be that the phone is detected as rooted, not specifically that it's running grapheneOS. But I agree that it's a big problem. That's how you end up in a situation where google has full control from hardware to final apps like on iphones. When devs assume that everybody is using the stock android with google services enabled.

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Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by microsoftedging »

savwolf wrote: post #43

This is what really makes me question if I want to continue to use GOS, already some UK banks apps (which are app only) don't want to run. I'm considering switching back to stock as I can't be bothered to try to find hacks and workarounds for daily necessities.

Same experience in the UK, but it was the push that got me to switch from Lloyds to Nationwide if you're looking for another option. They're great, they even have offline 2FA methods as they send you a card reader for things like authing purchases or sign-ins. And the app still works :-)

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by hkt »

This happened to me with Starling Bank's app years ago. I have since conceded defeat. What is pernicious is how some of these services are unusable without an app, while also bossing the user around about what operating system they can use. Starling left me without any access to any of my bank accounts at the time (2022 or so) so now I use very old school online banking now to avoid this situation ever occurring again.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

axegon_ wrote: post #17

This is arguably the most irritating thing with just about every largecorp developer: "os that hasn't been updated in 6 years? Sure boss!". Os that is built specifically around security and privacy with daily updates: "No, you can't do that". Annoying - yes. Safe way to make sure I will stop being your customer - also YES!

With Silicon Valley "largecorp" the required "security" is to protect the company from (a) the privacy-conscious user who would object to the company's data collection, surveilllance or ads/tracking and (b) from competitors, i.e., other companies that would potentially do data collection, surveillance, advertising services if they had uncontrolled access to largecorp's users

"OS that user compiled herself" can avoid this nonsense

No "smallcorp" is safe from Silicon Valley "largecorp" for long with the amounts of money SV largecorp can, and will, offer smallcorp if smallcorp grows. SillyCon Valley "largecorp" wants data about/from users, not users' money

"Safe way to make sure I'll stop being your customer - also YES!"

The user is not SV largecorp's customer

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by svpk »

HenriTEL wrote: post #189
axegon_ wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's your argument? Mate, you can make explosives out of stuff you can buy in literally any supermarket and no one bats an eyelash. You don't have to legally be adult to buy any of the things you'd need and I say that as someone who only struggled with chemistry in school, that's now low the bar is. What's the solution then? Ban sea salt? If someone is using Graphene, the chances of them getting hacked are astronom…

The problem here seems to be that the phone is detected as rooted, not specifically that it's running grapheneOS. But I agree that it's a big problem. That's how you end up in a situation where google has full control from hardware to final apps like on iphones. When devs assume that everybody is using the stock android with google services enabled.

GrapheneOS is not rooted. The phone not being rooted is part of the GrapheneOS' security model.

I assume the issue is it failing the deeper play integrity check which is about it not being "Google approved."

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by super256 »

microtonal wrote: post #208
shaky-carrousel wrote: post #186

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This is the PayPal version I have installed that works: Version 8.107.0 com.paypal.android.p2pmobile

Looks like I have 10.10.0. They'll most likely remove support for older versions server-side at some point.

I do have Version 10.10.0 since today and it also started crashing on open. Guess I'll have to downgrade to an older version for the time being.
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