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MIT's Ad Hoc Committee on AI Use in Teaching, Learning, and Research Training

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Re: MIT's Ad Hoc Committee on AI Use in Teaching, Learning, and Research Training

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My statement was more of a dig at German universities than a compliment to MIT. I understand your criticism of this institution (which doesn't even exist in that form in Germany), but that doesn't mean I have to reflexively condemn everything from there.

Oh of course, I understand. I'm just ignorant to German universities. Honestly, the only thing I know of is not even University level German education, but just the concept of the German gymnasium system, and that was from when a exchange student visited my high school, in the 1990s! Thanks for the response. Cheers.

Then I hope you have better memories of our country.

To explain briefly:

Broadly speaking, there are these types of schools:

- Hauptschule (lower secondary school) - Realschule (intermediate secondary school) - Gymnasium (grammar school)

in various organizational forms. At a Gymnasium, you can obtain a full Abitur (university entrance qualification), which qualifies you to study at - Universities - Universities of Applied Sciences

For studies at Universities of Applied Sciences, a Fachabitur (subject-specific university entrance qualification) is necessary, which can be obtained in various ways. Previously, diplomas were usually awarded there, an academic degree between a B.A. and M.A. Since the Bologna reforms, the system has been changed to B.A./M.A.

At Universities of Applied Sciences, studies are more practically oriented (with practical phases); however, the biggest difference is that you cannot pursue a doctorate there, which is only possible at a "proper" university.

Besides social informatics, I also teach academic writing, which is why the topic of AI is important to me, because it's not easy for teachers to deal with. But I also don't think the strategy of simply looking away is effective.

Re: MIT's Ad Hoc Committee on AI Use in Teaching, Learning, and Research Training

#42

I'm sick and tired of hearing about how LLMs are somehow going to cultivate a society of "creative people full of ideas" when increasingly the people who are using it the most are accepting the LLMs ideas without question.

It's like assuming that the advent of fast food will create a society of people who exercise and otherwise eat well, to balance it.

Re: MIT's Ad Hoc Committee on AI Use in Teaching, Learning, and Research Training

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely; it's a real problem. But institutions like MIT have also been participating in, and benefiting from, this transactional relationship from their side in offering degrees that they know carry so much value.

MIT makes all its money from research (and investing its endowment more successfully than most schools), not tuition, and the success in research comes from having such a high-achieving community of faculty and graduate students. They're pretty incentivized to keep the bar for academic achievement genuinely high.

To clarify, I am pro-university. I'm just saying that institutions do not always behave in ways that are purely for educational benefit, such as with legacy admissions or grade inflation. I don't think the blame falls solely on students for viewing university degrees as a necessary step for something else. I would sure bet admissions committees will use AI to screen applicants, if they aren't doing so already.

Re: MIT's Ad Hoc Committee on AI Use in Teaching, Learning, and Research Training

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This is a bunch of fluff. I hope at least the snacks and lunches during the discussions were good. "Guiding principles: Be bold. Be humble. Put humanity front and center. Lean into learning. Teach with intentionality. No one size fits all." "Recommendations: Adapt educational processes for an AI-aware world. Center people, community, and the residential experience. Build processes, teams and tools for continuous refl…

I don't agree? By the time you get to the specific policy sections (3.x.x) there are concrete changes outlined in bold, several of which are requests for the institute to invest large amounts of resources changing the current teaching process. Even the non-bolded text occasionally contains real insights, like this gem from the end of 3.1.9:

> Students should not feel policed. Durable change will require instructors to be as clear as possible about their expectations and students to understand AI misuse as an unacceptable deviation from shared peer norms and community values rather than a violation of an arbitrary bureaucratic rule.

Re: MIT's Ad Hoc Committee on AI Use in Teaching, Learning, and Research Training

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This is a bunch of fluff. I hope at least the snacks and lunches during the discussions were good. "Guiding principles: Be bold. Be humble. Put humanity front and center. Lean into learning. Teach with intentionality. No one size fits all." "Recommendations: Adapt educational processes for an AI-aware world. Center people, community, and the residential experience. Build processes, teams and tools for continuous refl…

Yes, but as a K-12 administrator, I sadly have to tell you this is just about one of the more substantive things I have seen. Yes, it's 95% fluff, but there is a real admission here that the guidance really ought to accept that there will be a whole host of tasks/assignments that kids engage in where the assumption SHOULD be that they basically will leverage AI, and that for their own benefit, resources should be set…

It will only get harder. From the trenches in tech it’s hard enough to get people who should know better to put in the work to understand the ai output.

For education I can’t imagine. You might have to resort to actual discussion in classrooms instead of homework, with the accompanying need for both more educators and higher quality therein. Which isn’t going to be easy when education is fully under regulatory capture (at least for K-12 in the USA)

Re: MIT's Ad Hoc Committee on AI Use in Teaching, Learning, and Research Training

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like you want a return to a time before a lot of the government research money coming to institutions like MIT was gutted.

No, today institutions like Georgia Tech -- which has an endowment of just about the same as MIT in the nineties adjusted for inflation -- seem to function just about the same way as MIT did back then. I want to get back to the era before people went to MIT as a center of wealth, power, and prestige, and would lie and cheat to get tenured positions there, to where it was a place where nerds went to nerd together. And…

Anywhere the nerds or artists go, if they are good, eventually becomes overrun with such types. Just look at the state of Silicon Valley and y combinator, and gentrification in general…

Re: MIT's Ad Hoc Committee on AI Use in Teaching, Learning, and Research Training

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- 2. Guiding Principles

- 2.1. Be humble

- 2.2. Be bold

- 2.3. Put humanity front and center

- 2.4. Lean into learning

- 2.5. Teach with intentionality

- 2.6. No one size fits all

- 2.7. Augmentation not automation

- 2.8. Think beyond the classroom and the campus

- 3. Recommendations

- 3.1. Adapt educational processes for an AI-aware world

- 3.1.1. Revisit course goals

- 3.1.2. Ensure durable learning through new course policies, structures, and forms of assessment

- 3.1.3. Emphasize experiential and project-based learning

- 3.1.4. Build structured in-person social learning into subjects

- 3.1.5. Preserve and expand out-of-class research and career experiences

- 3.1.6. Reconsider grades and incentives

- 3.1.7. Expand in-person spaces for labs and in-person evaluation

- 3.1.8. Provide AI use policies, with justification

- 3.1.9. Exercise caution with AI detectors and online exam platforms

- 3.1.10. Support responsible experimentation in the curriculum

- 3.2. Center people, community, and the residential experience

- 3.2.1. Define and communicate the value of residential education

- 3.2.2. Strengthen social connection and personal wellbeing

- 3.2.3. Encourage instructor disclosure around their own AI use

- 3.2.4. Teach effective, responsible, and ethical use of AI

- 3.2.5. Recognize and mitigate negative impacts of AI

- 3.2.6. Acknowledge AI use in theses and other research work

- 3.3. Build processes, teams, and tools for continuous reflection, iteration, and improvement

- 3.3.1. Establish an ongoing AI and education committee

- 3.3.2. Create school/college- or department-level AI Leads

- 3.3.3. Fund AI Fellows and an AI Implementation Team

- 3.3.4. Create an AI Pilot Fund

- 3.3.5. Provide ongoing training and instructor support

- 3.3.6. Develop metrics

- 3.3.7. Ensure equitable technology access

- 3.3.8. Protect sensitive data and preserve model choice

- 3.3.9. Establish privacy, logging, and auditing policies

- 3.3.10. Monitor AI costs and environmental impact

- 4. Conclusion

Re: MIT's Ad Hoc Committee on AI Use in Teaching, Learning, and Research Training

#48

I'm sick and tired of hearing about how LLMs are somehow going to cultivate a society of "creative people full of ideas" when increasingly the people who are using it the most are accepting the LLMs ideas without question.

Reminds me of when the crypto people were saying system used almost exclusively for money laundering was going to facilitate a financial revolution.

Re: MIT's Ad Hoc Committee on AI Use in Teaching, Learning, and Research Training

#49
I'm surprised at the negative comments here. I'm about halfway done reading the report - I think it's clear, well written, and quite frankly the opposite of fluff.

A document like this isn't going to magically "solve" the use of AI in higher education. The purpose is to define a shared understanding of the situation across a large, complex organization, and set an initial direction and general shape for actions to take.

It contains clear, specific observations of how AI is organically changing the reality of education. And, in my opinion, fairly clear high-level guidance on what MIT as an entity wants to do about AI, and what individual departments and faculty should decide on their own.

A document like this doesn't need to be revolutionary, it may feel like fluff because no specific item in it is particularly surprising or groundbreaking, but the value is in having the entire document as a whole. And it is a lot more comprehensive and well thought out than what most companies can put out.

Re: MIT's Ad Hoc Committee on AI Use in Teaching, Learning, and Research Training

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This is a bunch of fluff. I hope at least the snacks and lunches during the discussions were good. "Guiding principles: Be bold. Be humble. Put humanity front and center. Lean into learning. Teach with intentionality. No one size fits all." "Recommendations: Adapt educational processes for an AI-aware world. Center people, community, and the residential experience. Build processes, teams and tools for continuous refl…

What human writes, "This is not a moment for patches and duct tape."

Is that AI or just horribly clichéd writing?

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