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Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by fluidcruft »

ruszki wrote: post #116
tonyhart7 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Noo, it’s the other way around lmao. A financial security audit is one of the most thorough security audits you can ask for in software. GrapheneOS gets blocked because it doesn’t follow the secure system requirements (root).

As several others have already said here, GrapheneOS is not necessarily rooted. So that's a lie. Also, I've seen such audits internally, and they don't care about security at all. They care about the theatrics of security waaaaay more. For example, I was at Santander in 2024, during its huge data breach. Here is the list of actions which are supposed to prevent the same kind of attacks again in the future: - Yeah, it…

Audits are primarily about liability and safe harbors in lawsuits. Companies get audits on record so that if something happens they have someone to throw under the bus and pass damages off onto.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

axegon_ wrote: post #88
fluidcruft wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally I think the issue is that there's a tension between your security vs Paypal's security (deliberate, motivated bad actors). Maybe an analogy could be about using metal detectors as a layer to reduce bank robberies. A gun in a good guy's hands is a good thing to prevent robberies. Guns in a bad guy's hands are a bad thing to prevent robberies. Paypal knows you have a gun but they don't know if you're a good g…

That's your argument? Mate, you can make explosives out of stuff you can buy in literally any supermarket and no one bats an eyelash. You don't have to legally be adult to buy any of the things you'd need and I say that as someone who only struggled with chemistry in school, that's now low the bar is. What's the solution then? Ban sea salt? If someone is using Graphene, the chances of them getting hacked are astronom…

Parent has a point by playing devil's advocate. Practical considerations indicate that platform is gonna platform. Solution here to greed driven development is some level of 'non possumus' from the general public. Sadly, I am starting to think is what we really need is a lot of valve like companies, where company stay private, founder is not a complete asshole and so on. Tall order, but that is the only real way to reverse some of the damage. I am done counting on the public to see light.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by akimbostrawman »

fluidcruft wrote: post #47
axegon_ wrote: post #17

This is arguably the most irritating thing with just about every largecorp developer: "os that hasn't been updated in 6 years? Sure boss!". Os that is built specifically around security and privacy with daily updates: "No, you can't do that". Annoying - yes. Safe way to make sure I will stop being your customer - also YES!

Generally I think the issue is that there's a tension between your security vs Paypal's security (deliberate, motivated bad actors). Maybe an analogy could be about using metal detectors as a layer to reduce bank robberies. A gun in a good guy's hands is a good thing to prevent robberies. Guns in a bad guy's hands are a bad thing to prevent robberies. Paypal knows you have a gun but they don't know if you're a good g…

Paypal's security? the same "security" which in 2026 still does no allow a passwords above 32 character (which most likely indicating that they don't hash passwords)?

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by Itoldmyselfso »

microtonal wrote: post #167
Itoldmyselfso wrote: post #158

The best approach to combat this is to cause as much headache as possible: bombard them with 1-star reviews, contact news sites, post this on social media sites snd contact Paypal's support.

Good luck with 3.7M existing reviews.

With a user base of 500k if every GOS user left a review that'd make a dent.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by drdexebtjl »

rciorba wrote: post #34
Kwpolska wrote: post #28

Why would anyone still use PayPal after so many cases of accounts being banned and funds being frozen for no reason, and all the other terrible stuff they've done?

Critical mass? I had to start using it after moving to Germany, because everyone else expects you to use it. One of the ladies at daycare is leaving? Here's a paypal link to chip in for a good-bye present. Split a take-out order with a German friend, but he paid? Here's his paypal to send him your share. It's just assumed that everyone has paypal over here...

“I don’t use paypal, here’s cash”

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by microtonal »

shaky-carrousel wrote: post #186
microtonal wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't work here. No contactless payments, full Exploit protection compatibility mode.

This is the PayPal version I have installed that works: Version 8.107.0 com.paypal.android.p2pmobile

Looks like I have 10.10.0. They'll most likely remove support for older versions server-side at some point.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by microtonal »

Itoldmyselfso wrote: post #206
microtonal wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good luck with 3.7M existing reviews.

With a user base of 500k if every GOS user left a review that'd make a dent.

True. But when the Volkswagen block was publicized a lot, last time I checked the number of stars didn't even decrease by 0.1 (even though there were a bunch of negative reviews). Admittedly, PayPal probably has more GrapheneOS users than VW, but with VW negative reviews could have made a serious dent.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by nekusar »

inexcf wrote: post #91
tonyhart7 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Noo, it’s the other way around lmao. A financial security audit is one of the most thorough security audits you can ask for in software. GrapheneOS gets blocked because it doesn’t follow the secure system requirements (root).

What requirements does it not follow? >(root) GrapheneOS is not rooted.

Yep, GrapheneOS is anti-user-freedom.

They do their damndest to prevent owners from having full control of their property, over claims of 'insecurity'.

And complaints of this nature get inane drivel responses of "lol just fork Graphene"

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