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Six months of writing code exclusively with agents

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Re: Six months of writing code exclusively with agents

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I don't understand people that say "I no longer code" as a good thing. I think it's safe to assume that if you studied computer science or similar you like to code. If not, why did you even study that? To me it just feels like you want to be a manager not an engineer This is like if a plumber said. I no longer do any construction, I just tell people what to do. Then you probably aren't a builder anymore, you are a fo…

It’s like saying “I no longer read or write assembly”; you are still solving problems but you are able to work in a higher level space to do it.

Re: Six months of writing code exclusively with agents

#22

I don't understand people that say "I no longer code" as a good thing. I think it's safe to assume that if you studied computer science or similar you like to code. If not, why did you even study that? To me it just feels like you want to be a manager not an engineer This is like if a plumber said. I no longer do any construction, I just tell people what to do. Then you probably aren't a builder anymore, you are a fo…

>"This is like if a plumber said. I no longer do any construction, I just tell people what to do." I'm pretty sure that's the dream goal of any plumber. No one "plumbs for fun". No one wants to truly do the actual thing, they want the money that allows them to do whatever they want. It's just that doing the actual thing is the only way you can get the money at first. And being good at doing the actual thing and enjoy…

This is just wrong. A lot of people take tremendous pride in their work. Particularly highly-skilled people who have been doing the work for a long time.

Joe Biden used to say this all the time - that a job is more than a paycheck, it's an identity and a sense of purpose, often a big part of our social lives as well. Or if you prefer the other side, Trump likes to say that coal miners don't want to learn computers, they want their coal mining jobs back.

Re: Six months of writing code exclusively with agents

#23

I don't understand people that say "I no longer code" as a good thing. I think it's safe to assume that if you studied computer science or similar you like to code. If not, why did you even study that? To me it just feels like you want to be a manager not an engineer This is like if a plumber said. I no longer do any construction, I just tell people what to do. Then you probably aren't a builder anymore, you are a fo…

>"This is like if a plumber said. I no longer do any construction, I just tell people what to do." I'm pretty sure that's the dream goal of any plumber. No one "plumbs for fun". No one wants to truly do the actual thing, they want the money that allows them to do whatever they want. It's just that doing the actual thing is the only way you can get the money at first. And being good at doing the actual thing and enjoy…

Some people like doing DIY plumbing and related tasks around their own homes. Work might not be "fun" in the traditional sense, but it can be satisfying to build and fix things.

Re: Six months of writing code exclusively with agents

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> The bigger cost was the typing. Every time I wanted to build something, I could see the code in my head. I just couldn’t type it out fast enough. Facts. For me the bigger the gap between what i saw in my head and the speed with which my fingers could physically make it a reality the more stress i would feel and some marathon coding sessions would end w my back all messed up just from the tension

Yay!!! There are people like me in this world. :-)

Re: Six months of writing code exclusively with agents

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post #8

I don't understand people that say "I no longer code" as a good thing. I think it's safe to assume that if you studied computer science or similar you like to code. If not, why did you even study that? To me it just feels like you want to be a manager not an engineer This is like if a plumber said. I no longer do any construction, I just tell people what to do. Then you probably aren't a builder anymore, you are a fo…

Do architects have to like laying bricks?

Do architects start as construction workers? It's a completely different career. That's my point. OP should have studied to be a manager

Re: Six months of writing code exclusively with agents

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> There is no one answer to agentic engineering. Everyone works differently; every model is good at different things. The key here is reps: do a lot, ask a lot, throw away a lot. You’ll learn what works for you.

That all reads to me like: The key here is: "Burn tokens as money in a bonfire, pray you typed in the right magic spell (prompt) and the ingredients (context) in the potion were right, toss away the failed elixir of life".

Instead of writing code and refactoring yourself and gaining an understanding, you're hoping that a slot machine will get luckily get the statistics right to put up code that you already need to read again.

> It’s the same loop that taught me to code, moved up a level: write, run, fail, fix. I used to iterate on code. Now I iterate on prompts, designs, whole features. A rewrite that used to cost a week costs a conversation.

And also costs you skills atrophy and however much tokens will be. Not to mention the negative externalities of using LLMs (massive increase of fraud, of disinformation, of rocketing prices in memory and in turn all electronics, massive use of energy that consumers have to also then pay extra for, environmental and noise cost of using on-site turbines, local destruction of water resources for the local community).

Re: Six months of writing code exclusively with agents

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>AI agents are just software, after all. I wasn’t going to understand them by reading prompt guides. I had to use them for real work, see where they failed, change the prompts, tools, or environment, and try again.

It seems that all this knowledge would be useless with a model update...Good for the AI companies though. More tokens as users like this come upto speed with the new models, which they now are totally dependent on...

Because, if you didn't like writing code, and is now used to agents writing code, good luck going back to writing code by hand...

Re: Six months of writing code exclusively with agents

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post #14

> The bigger cost was the typing. Every time I wanted to build something, I could see the code in my head. I just couldn’t type it out fast enough. Facts. For me the bigger the gap between what i saw in my head and the speed with which my fingers could physically make it a reality the more stress i would feel and some marathon coding sessions would end w my back all messed up just from the tension

Nice to hear others are feeling this too. I started using typing websites to improve my speed a few months ago. More recently I've noticed that I'm starting to make lots of typos and use sloppy language in general because AI still understands me. That can't be healthy in the long term.

I got this way with google (when it was still good) - what nonsense can I type and still get the right result - 99% of the time it would work.

Re: Six months of writing code exclusively with agents

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I committed to the fully agentic approach for a while. No code by hand!

Setting aside the "capability" of the tools, I knew it was the wrong direction after a couple months or so in. I specifically remember during a large feature implementation running out of tokens for my 5 hour window or whatever, and I just couldn't continue on my own. Mostly due to laziness (I'll just wait till tomorrow when my limit resets!), but I also picked up on my first big whiff of skill rot / atrophy brewing, and that made feel uncomfortable.

I just don't see this fully agentic approach going well long term. Talk about the ultimate dependency!! If the lights are "turned off" for whatever reason - outages, cost increases, or the agentic velocity finally reaches a complexity tipping point and you've lost control and understanding of your system to the point the agents are making things worse, whatever it is - do you really expect to be able to turn back the clock and step in to code at the productivity level and output you used to when you actually... wrote code?

Re: Six months of writing code exclusively with agents

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post #15

I've been a software dev for 25 years. In the past year I've hand written maybe 10 lines of code. For the first 2-3 months i would read it, then I figured out how to really use AI/code gen and the amount created was more than I could read. I can work on 2-3 projects at once, or 2-3 parts of a larger project at once. More than that I can't keep task switching. The speed and complexity of what I'm able to create is 10x…

Do you follow / use a specific framework? Or just ad-hoc prompts?
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