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U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

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Post by xxs »

tsimionescu wrote: post #692
raz32dust wrote: post #577

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I think one of the fundamental problem with h1b is that it is labeled as "non-immigrant" whereas for all practical purposes it is really an immigrant visa. Why would a person who is supposedly having rare skills come to a country and spend their best years here without reasonable guarantee of permanency? People buy homes because it is a reasonable belief that they are going to be living here permanently and it has hi…

There is a very common pattern of people who go to work to some other, richer country for a set period of time with the sole purpose of making enough money to achieve an objective back home (provide for family, buy a house, retire, etc). I don't know how common this is between H-1B applicants, but it's extremely common in the EU for example.

in the EU there is no need for any visa (within member states) and essentially it's a desired feature of the EU.

Another point is that speaking the local language in a richer country of the EU is less likely than speaking English (with English being official only in Ireland and Malta), so it's harder to settle - esp. with kids and school.

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Post by estearum »

fearmerchant wrote: post #867
conductr wrote: post #496

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> The issue here is that, if you just left the country to do everything the country asked you, you are now in limbo. I feel like I’ve said it a few times but - Yes, exactly. The country wants you to leave and then get’s to decide if you can come back. That’s how it’s designed. On purpose. You’re approaching it from a perspective where you’re being asked to leave and your reentry is a right. It’s not. They never said,…

You're right but I think you're running into the emotional side of the issue for some folks. The "not coming back" angle is a feature not a bug. Saves having to track folks down, potentially detain them, etc.

Well no, you're running into the fact that this administration has shown capricious (and often illegal) determination logic of who gets to come in or not.

People haven't always complained about this feature/bug/whatever because the US has generally not had people in charge who allow in people charged with sex trafficking (like the Tate brothers) but stop and harass even American citizens who are accused of saying mean things about Israel on the Internet.

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Post by justonepost2 »

dzonga wrote: post #19

the current admin are working hard to destroy the U.S as if they're foreign agents. not only are they making it hard & unbearable for families of US citizens & PR holders to be together. while at the same time - discouraging talent to come to the US at a crucial time when talent is at a premium due to A.I development. last the backwards energy policy of banning renewable energy.

Talent is unnecessary due to AI development *

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Post by airstrike »

TheDong wrote: post #639
doom2 wrote: post #390

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> we Americans We can also take a more critical look at the definition of what being American is. The 20th century, especially pre-1920, was rife with illegal immigration. Why should the descendants of those who skipped the line, who didn't come in "the right way", be able to now call themselves American and reap the unearned benefits of citizenship? They've taken and continue to take jobs from Americans who need the…

While we're at it, I guess we should kick out all the descendants of Europeans, etc, and the only people who should be able to get jobs and count as true citizens are the direct descendants of the Native Americans. What an offensive comment. You earn the benefits of citizenship by paying taxes, and ideally participating in your community (though _many_ americans also just disappear into their houses and watch tv / ti…

Although you can't ever know for sure online, I'm convinced the parent is being sarcastic to make a point

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Post by cosmicgadget »

tialaramex wrote: post #721
cosmicgadget wrote: post #449

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Replacing Lisa Cook or Jerome Powell and cutting rates to 0.

It's funniest if the economic collapse begins with Republicans still in power everywhere to pretend that things are fine. Once Democrats are elected, even if they're not actually doing anything yet and so couldn't plausibly have any role in the problem the US media will insist it's their fault which is very boring to watch.

I think we are primed for the doublethink with six months of Iran being totally defeated and the Strait of Hormuz being open.

But yeah, as we saw with covid, cutting rates and qe now means markets surge now and $15 burritos in three years.

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Post by jpadkins »

pjc50 wrote: post #570
CTDOCodebases wrote: post #555

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"Instead, what they all have in common is a vague underlying fear of being displaced, or sense that something owed to them is being taken." This is true for both the citizens and the immigrants.

The immigrants have something very specific and real on the line.

So do the natives.

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Post by woodpanel »

itake wrote: post #430
vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #321

My company has a H-1B guy that travelled home to India a few months ago and since then can't come back because the next date he can get with the US embassy is next year. Seems he may get stuck even longer... I am to some degree on board with keeping a closer eye on immigration, but the way the current administration does it feels intentionally cruel. The guy at my company has a house, wife, and kids in the US; his vi…

I'm an American that lives abroad. I have first-hand experience how other countries treat 'immigrants'. H1B is a temporary non-immigrant visa. I could never imagine myself buying a home in a country where I don't have permanent access to that real estate. I am not opposed to voting to prevent non-PRs from owning real estate in order to keep housing prices lower for residents and prevent non-immigrants from shooting t…

Non-US citizen here. 100% Agreed.

Where does this notion come from that a host society has any obligation to the foreigner / non pr? As if he was forced to move to America.

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Post by ddtaylor »

darkstar999 wrote: post #869
xvxvx wrote: post #864

They’re doing what they should have been doing all along: enforcing the visa rules. The system is being gamed so they have to crack down. There are around 10-15 million illegal immigrants in the US, not including mass visa fraud. It cannot continue.

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

To be fair that's a poem written a hundred years later.

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Post by ajjahs »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #409
doc_ick wrote: post #380

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I see you trying to kick a field goal all the way from the school parking lot, good luck with that.

It's not popular to mention but the US is the most immigrated to country on the planet, almost 4x the next country. But really, immigrating to any country is quite complex. It's far from "just fill out a form" for pretty much every western country.

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