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Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

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Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

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post #165

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Not sure why you are getting downvoted. His post literally ends with those words: https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a

Mostly because HN is full of two kinds of things: tech bros that think that "everything shouldn't be political durr" and actual literal fascists that think that palantir is a good thing. I'm not fully surprised by it. Pissing in their cornflakes and reminding everyone what they are is what matters, not points.

Story of my life haha

Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

#462
post #315

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I'm becoming really upset at people whom I otherwise align with for taking absolute statements that don't make sense. DHH said some stuff you disagree with, incidentally while I have always identified with strong social systems, welfare, high taxes and things like free healthcare, I can't say I disagree with the core of what he tried to say, because there has been seizemic ethnic change within a single generation - a…

> Saying "Hey, this demographic and major cultural change in the last 20 years makes the environment different" is considered racism perhaps if he said it like this, rather than comparing Roma to wolves that should be shot and comparing immigration as something to be survived like a bombing blitz, people wouldnt care as much > it's racist to think anyone else is lesser than natives or to group "them" and treat an eth…

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Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

#463
post #437

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yeah, but with that you are making the whole argument meaningless, because you are arguing that since you can't have life without drama, asking to minimize drama is useless. that's like saying that reducing pollution is useless because you can't eliminate pollution. yes, we can reduce pollution, and we can minimize drama. we can't entirely avoid it, but that was not being asked for.

But Omarchy has no internal drama. It's entirely external drama around how noninvolved parties feel about DHH. That's way different than internal drama or upstream drama affecting your project.

what i meant here is people are criticizing the project or the project leader. that brings drama into the project.

Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

#464
post #10

I'm somewhat out of the loop, and it's not really mentioned in the article, but what's with Omarchy getting this crazy amount of financial support from this list of fairly prominent individuals? Until a few weeks ago I'd never heard of it, then what I did hear is that it's being made by a very... uhh, eccentric(?) individual, and now it's suddenly got a crazy amount of funding. What am I missing?

"free" software funded by 8 million dollars in concentrated wealth. The guy is a self aggrandizing moron that a child could see through.

Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

#465
post #458

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He uses a word that is a slur for the Romani, an ethnic minority in many European countries. He never discusses nationality. He also compares deporting them (to where, you might ask) to shooting wolves. It's also not his only post on the topic. He has previous ones where he complains of how horrible London is because white British people no longer constitute a majority. He calls for not just ends to immigration and c…

Yes, DHH sucks, we agree about this, for multiple reasons.

I'm not just trying to score points about whether he sucks, but specifically point out the types of policies that he advocates for, and there are a number of people in this thread trying to claim somehow that he doesn't advocate for policies that he clearly has been.

So I'm curious, what makes you think that what he calls for isn't ethnic cleansing?

From Wikipedia (and please, fill me in if you have a better definition):

"Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous."

From DHH:

Calling for the deportation (forced removal) of a specific ethnic group (also note the violent analogy to wolves): "When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them."

Calling for the forced removal of millions of people of various ethnic groups he considers undesirable from Europe: "Because the sacred cow here is not just that mass migration must stop going forward. It's also that millions who are already in Europe must go. Remigration has gone from a fringe concept to the mainstream discourse in record time on account of that realization. The Overton window is swinging wide open, but the cow is still there."

Talking about how much he wanted to move to London but that he no longer has that desire due to its ethnic diversity: "As soon as I was old enough to travel on my own, London was where I wanted to go.... That was then. Now, I wouldn't dream of it. London is no longer the city I was infatuated with in the late '90s and early 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits. In 2000, more than sixty percent of the city were native Brits. By 2024, that had dropped to about a third. A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now.... Recently, a projection that Danes would be a minority in their own country by 2096 caused an enormous stir in Denmark. Politicians across the spectrum decried what a catastrophe that would be for this world's oldest continuous monarchy. But a demographic nightmare worse than that has already enveloped London!"

As you can see, DHH is explicitly calling for the force removal (deportation and "remigration") of ethnic groups, because he is afraid of the results of the population becoming less ethnically homogeneous. I don't know how you could argue that what he's calling for is anything other than ethnic cleansing.

Also, note that none of this is due to any actualy on the ground experience; he lives in LA, he's lived in the US for over 20 years. This is purely an exercise in ideology. In fact, LA has a smaller percentage of the population that is white Anglo-American than London does of white British people.

Anyhow: I have laid out in detail the arugment for calling what he calls for "ethnic cleansing". Do you have any argument that it isn't ethnic cleansing that he's calling for? It seems pretty clear to me, so I'm confused why you have kept on insisting "if this is what you think he's arguing for, you either need to re-read the blog post", because I've read all three of these posts of his and more, and it all points towards him advocating for ethnic cleansing.

Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

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Yea, what a great point! It's totalitarian for a bunch of individuals to call out someone for their bad ideas. And it's definitely not totalitarian for someone to encourage governments to carry out textbook ethnic cleansing. You're a true thought-leader!

> someone to encourage governments to carry out textbook ethnic cleansing It seems you are indicating DHH has advocated for ethnic cleansing. When did he do this?

The GP believes that countries deporting people and/or enforce immigration law is "ethnic cleansing"

Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

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What collective human endeavour is devoid of politics? Politics is how groups decide things, from what a code of conduct should be to where we should stop for coffee after lunch. It’s easy to not notice it, but we do politics dozens of times every day.

poulpy123 claimed that they use such distro

As any distro is a significant group effort, I would say this is impossible and that they might not have realised how group decisions are made.

Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

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> someone to encourage governments to carry out textbook ethnic cleansing It seems you are indicating DHH has advocated for ethnic cleansing. When did he do this?

The GP believes that countries deporting people and/or enforce immigration law is "ethnic cleansing"

No. I believe, for example, that singling out legal immigrants from Haiti, revoking their legal status, and deporting them back to Haiti, where the current state department's website says of Haiti: "Do not travel to Haiti due to the risk of crime, kidnapping, terrorism, unrest, and limited health care" [1], is an example of ethnic cleansing. To suggest this is just good ol' fashioned law enforcement is absurd.

[1] https://travel.state.gov/en/international-travel/travel-advi...

Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

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post #283

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The fact that this is up for debate already says all. For anyone passing through, read the blog posts and his social media feeds, make up your own mind.

Racists don't think racist speech is racism. News at eleven.

Not everyone passing through HN is a racist. These things become canon when nobody opposes them.

Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

#470
post #465

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Yes, DHH sucks, we agree about this, for multiple reasons.

I'm not just trying to score points about whether he sucks, but specifically point out the types of policies that he advocates for, and there are a number of people in this thread trying to claim somehow that he doesn't advocate for policies that he clearly has been. So I'm curious, what makes you think that what he calls for isn't ethnic cleansing? From Wikipedia (and please, fill me in if you have a better definiti…

Something like "mass expulsion and killing of one ethnic or religious group in an area by another ethnic or religious group in that area" I suppose, but also, I really don't have any energy left to discuss something I don't care about. I don't like that guy, I don't like his views, and I don't want to argue against others who also don't like him.

Hope your text helped someone, enjoy the rest of your day!

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