Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

news.ycombinator.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

81–90 of 361 posts

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

#81

Post by tonyhart7 »

axegon_ wrote: post #72
tonyhart7 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Safe way to make sure I will stop being your customer - also YES!" I don't think they care at all about the size of graphene os market share if its jeopardize entire userbase then its not worth it

Fine by me. My example illustrates their incompetence if they are willing to let a user with an OS that hasn't received any updates in half a decade, then clearly, they don't give a single crap about security.

Noo, it’s the other way around lmao.

A financial security audit is one of the most thorough security audits you can ask for in software.

GrapheneOS gets blocked because it doesn’t follow the secure system requirements (root).

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

#83

Post by master-lincoln »

anonymousiam wrote: post #54

Hopefully these stupid companies that are refusing to allow their apps to run on GrapheneOS will have a change of heart when Motorola begins launching their new phones: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/08/motorolas-grapheneos...

if there is enough money to be made they will consider it...

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

#84

Post by dewey »

Kwpolska wrote: post #28

Why would anyone still use PayPal after so many cases of accounts being banned and funds being frozen for no reason, and all the other terrible stuff they've done?

Easy to say when you are in a country where you have a lot of options.

There's some countries with very bad financial sector where your option is PayPal or Western Union as the local banks don't know how to do international transfers, Remitly doesn't support all countries and Wise also doesn't work. PayPal works, even if they charge fees.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

#85

Post by crote »

netsharc wrote: post #40
iammrpayments wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thought they use Sepa

SEPA uses your IBAN (account number), and one can also enter this account number for payment, implicitly allowing the store to withdraw money from it...

IBANs aren't secret, they have the same level of confidentiality as your address or birth date.

One-off SEPA Direct Debit is virtually unheard of, recurring payments are a bit more common but usually involve a €0,01 payment to prove ownership of the account. The transactions are also trivial to undo, and can only be initiated by companies.

So no, "IBAN fraud" isn't a thing in practice. You can safely share your IBAN with your friends for instant free wire transfers.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

#86

Post by prartichoke »

Confirmed on my phone too. I left a 1-star review on the play store saying it crashes on every launch, uninstalled and will use the website from now on. (Luckily, I dont use contactless payments, ai just send and receive money from friends from time to time)

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

#87

Post by master-lincoln »

sunaookami wrote: post #66
aabdelhafez wrote: post #7

Switched to Wero and haven't looked back. https://wero-wallet.eu

Wero is not a PayPal alternative. It doesn't even have buyer's protection and every bank must manually implement it which immediately makes it a failure. Some banks also connect it to your phone number so you can't link Wero to two different bank accounts with the same number when you have 2 bank accounts. Very messy.

> Some banks also connect it to your phone number

What do you mean "some banks"? I thought the whole value proposition of Wero was instant bank transfers with SEPA but using phone numbers?

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

#88

Post by axegon_ »

fluidcruft wrote: post #47
axegon_ wrote: post #17

This is arguably the most irritating thing with just about every largecorp developer: "os that hasn't been updated in 6 years? Sure boss!". Os that is built specifically around security and privacy with daily updates: "No, you can't do that". Annoying - yes. Safe way to make sure I will stop being your customer - also YES!

Generally I think the issue is that there's a tension between your security vs Paypal's security (deliberate, motivated bad actors). Maybe an analogy could be about using metal detectors as a layer to reduce bank robberies. A gun in a good guy's hands is a good thing to prevent robberies. Guns in a bad guy's hands are a bad thing to prevent robberies. Paypal knows you have a gun but they don't know if you're a good g…

That's your argument? Mate, you can make explosives out of stuff you can buy in literally any supermarket and no one bats an eyelash. You don't have to legally be adult to buy any of the things you'd need and I say that as someone who only struggled with chemistry in school, that's now low the bar is. What's the solution then? Ban sea salt? If someone is using Graphene, the chances of them getting hacked are astronomically lower than any Chinese spyware-infested phone.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

#89

Post by y-curious »

onion2k wrote: post #31

Has PayPal blocked GrapheneOS, or have they blocked every OS they're unable to verify and done a poor job of implementing their checks? Hanlon's Razor is a useful tool. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Ironically, I had to apply Hanlon’s Razor to the impolite tone of your post
Post reply on HN