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Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30

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Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30

#131
post #11

Mechanical Turk had a good run, but not surprised it's shutting down. I'm sure the platform was getting flooded with people doing task arbitrage and using lots of AI anyway. I believe the issue is that this can no longer be a horizontal play. MTurk was mostly for unskilled tasks...the kind AI can do well enough that it isn't worth the cost differential to verify it or keep farmed to humans. The "trust but verify" AI…

I understand unskilled humans are used to train AIs

Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30

#132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Giving out control of industrial machinery that interacts in the human environment without the physical interlocks (i.e. humanoid robots in a house) to random internet people seems like a problem. I can imagine a carefully orchestrated plot to assassinate someone by having an embedded agent in the task delegation pool command the laundry bot to punch the target's head off their shoulders.

Giving out control of such things to LLMs is already complete madness, so once the first pleasure bot powered by Grok has dismembered a few thousand users, they'll get sophisticated safety mechanisms. Though like as not you're still going to be right, after all, Stuxnet happened.

I’m really not happy that you’ve put the idea of Musk fuckbots into my head.

Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30

#133
post #131
post #11

Mechanical Turk had a good run, but not surprised it's shutting down. I'm sure the platform was getting flooded with people doing task arbitrage and using lots of AI anyway. I believe the issue is that this can no longer be a horizontal play. MTurk was mostly for unskilled tasks...the kind AI can do well enough that it isn't worth the cost differential to verify it or keep farmed to humans. The "trust but verify" AI…

I understand unskilled humans are used to train AIs

To the best of my knowledge, that isn't true anymore, and nowadays you'd only get hired to do RLHF if you have particular skills beyond what can be achieved by just running other models against it.

Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30

#134

Worth noting that one of the most high profile uses of Mechanical Turk was in September 2007 to review satellite imagery in a massive crowdsourced effort to find missing record-setting aviator Steve Fossett. The effort failed to find any areas of interest and the missing aviator was found the following year by a hiker. I wonder if there was any analysis after the fact to understand if the imagery actually provided an…

I wonder whether AI would have found the aviator.

freely available satellite/aerial images in 2007 were in no way high resolution enough to identify such a tiny airplane, and in many places, they still aren't.

Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30

#135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Giving out control of such things to LLMs is already complete madness, so once the first pleasure bot powered by Grok has dismembered a few thousand users, they'll get sophisticated safety mechanisms. Though like as not you're still going to be right, after all, Stuxnet happened.

I’m really not happy that you’ve put the idea of Musk fuckbots into my head.

I'm envious of the time you spend where it wasn't already.

Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30

#136
post #108

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> Long story short: Mechanical Turk saved my bacon. Nothing wrong with your story, but that summary is terrible. You had a domain for a blog and someone bought it. That’s it. Mechanical Turk is inconsequential, as is the subject of the blog, the story would have been exactly the same if your blog had been about turkey sandwiches and Burger King offered to buy it.

I see you missed the point of the story. But whatever. I'm sorry my dire financial situation didn't tie up in a nice enough bow for you.

I honestly don’t see what you don’t understand about “Nothing wrong with your story”. It’s literally the start of the first sentence. It seems pretty clear to me the mild criticism is directed solely at the summary (you know, the quoted part), not the story.

Ironic that you’re accusing someone else of “missing the point”, considering.

Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30

#138
post #52

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> My favorite part of AMT is always going to be figuring out that if we only paid in $0.07 intervals, their commission algorithm would round down to the nearest whole cent when their 20% commission resulted in a fractional cent on the unit transaction level, not the monthly invoice level. can someone ELI5 because what in the office space

20% of 0.07 was billed as 1 cent, not 1.4 nor rounded up to 2.

Imagine your favorite feature of a product was spend 1 cent on a real human being time and effort rather than 2 cents.

Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30

#139
post #100

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> task arbitrage and using lots of AI anyway. Oh, I remember UpWork.

Oh ... upwork ... put offer, get 50 replies from people which jump for every penny without even being able to understand the task.

I used it before AI coding and it was getting rough. Lots of US interviews with proxy Chinese or Pakistani workers. Lots of bullshit “I’ve done that; I can do this” and instantly apparent that this was untrue. Just the outright lies… whew.

I haven’t touched it since AI coding.

It’s a bad contractor market now. IDK what I would do if I needed a contractor.

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