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Re: U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

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post #567

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Not trying to make a political point at all and perhaps a controversial take. But, it’s specifically and maybe implicitly by design. Meaning they made this way precisely so you have to reapply so they can change their mind or block you out later. Nothing about getting a visa is permanent and you’re fully at risk when you move here with that type of status. If you evaluate the situation that’s always been the case.

The leaving part is not the issue, as you try to immigrate into a country you're subject to the rules that country sets. You're always free to not immigrate into that country (this is not about asylum). The issue here is that, if you just left the country to do everything the country asked you, you are now in limbo. For how long? No one can tell. Does this mean you lose your job? Maybe. And when you decide it's no lo…

> And when you decide it's no longer worth it, you might even have issues getting back in to get your stuff...

Do they refuse tourist visas for someone who recently had an immigrant visa?

Re: U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

#812
post #684

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I don't think you understand anything about an immigration process. All these cases are meticulously documented. So not making a decision is not at all the same as a 'no'. A 'no' you can challenge, a pause not so much. They probably cannot and don't want to actually deny all those applications as they'll be in hot water really quick. So this is just the childish, not wanting to really own it, way of trying to achieve…

I'll pause on the response for now since the condescension is not warranted.

A pause is different from a refusal which is different from a denial. They have different legal ramifications. It's a Kafkaesque hellscape.

Re: U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

#813
post #799

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That’s the point. The current people in power don’t want immigrants because the vast majority of immigrants are non white. The tall blond nordics they really want have no real motivation to deal with this bizarre BS as they usually already have a great standard of living in say Norway. So you end up with a ton of folks from places where running water is still a luxury. A lot of these people are even excellent church…

I find the idea the only immigrants can do low skill labor kinda… obtuse. Maybe Americans should pick their own crops instead of living in a delusion that certain labor is beneath them. Boomer era “all my kids are going to get white collar jobs” type thinking isn’t sustainable.

Yet here we are. They even recognized officially (Labor Department, October '25) that Americans are not willing to pick up these jobs.

Re: U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

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"Superpower Suicide" in the words of historian Timothy Snyder. Also encompasses the self-destruction of military power, alliances, and beneficial trade.

It looks more like homicide to me. Almost exactly like being pushed out the window of a skyscraper. But who would do such a thing?

The US public, who voted a conman to be their top dog not once but twice? And before that, some oil barons?

Re: U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

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post #567

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The leaving part is not the issue, as you try to immigrate into a country you're subject to the rules that country sets. You're always free to not immigrate into that country (this is not about asylum). The issue here is that, if you just left the country to do everything the country asked you, you are now in limbo. For how long? No one can tell. Does this mean you lose your job? Maybe. And when you decide it's no lo…

> The issue here is that, if you just left the country to do everything the country asked you, you are now in limbo. I feel like I’ve said it a few times but - Yes, exactly. The country wants you to leave and then get’s to decide if you can come back. That’s how it’s designed. On purpose. You’re approaching it from a perspective where you’re being asked to leave and your reentry is a right. It’s not. They never said,…

Rather than rights and privileges, think about the economic consequences of this. People will stop coming here for advanced study for advanced research and for advanced industry jobs. And most institutions and companies will accommodate this and try to have such people work from where they are vs fight an onerous government to bring them here. The net result will be damage to the US economy

Re: U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

#816

My company has a H-1B guy that travelled home to India a few months ago and since then can't come back because the next date he can get with the US embassy is next year. Seems he may get stuck even longer... I am to some degree on board with keeping a closer eye on immigration, but the way the current administration does it feels intentionally cruel. The guy at my company has a house, wife, and kids in the US; his vi…

Trump supporters will be shocked when such people just start working from abroad for the company vs the company hiring unqualified American citizens

Re: U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

#817

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Lots of countries have temporary worker status. The requirement to leave the country to re-up it appears to be a distinctively American thing.

It's definitely not. I know Japan and Korea had a similar process when I was living there, and I was under the impression that most places operate this way. Your visa grants you right to temporarily stay in the country, and if you don't have a visa you have no right to be there. Sometimes there's a bridging visa to cover the gap, but a country isn't under any obligation to provide one.

No. Japan certainly doesn’t. If you want to renew your visa you go apply at the local immigration department and they mail you your renewal notice a month or two later. No need to leave the country at all.

Re: U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

#818
post #756

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I think one of the fundamental problem with h1b is that it is labeled as "non-immigrant" whereas for all practical purposes it is really an immigrant visa. Why would a person who is supposedly having rare skills come to a country and spend their best years here without reasonable guarantee of permanency? People buy homes because it is a reasonable belief that they are going to be living here permanently and it has hi…

> Why would a person who is supposedly having rare skills come to a country and spend their best years here without reasonable guarantee of permanency? I agree with your overall point but the answer here is money. The earning potential in the US vs. e.g. India is drastic.

Yes but if you are worth that money to any company why would you assume one day it will all just end? That's not typical or normal for most careers

Re: U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

#819

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Not at the moment, but the result of the current UK system has been huge uncontrolled levels of immigration leading to deep public resentment, so that may change in the future

The system has already been changed and numbers are falling (and have already fallen) quite dramatically. See Fig 2 here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populati...

Yes that's kind of what I mean - the powers that be are already quietly moving in the direction of cracking down on immigration, because they can see it's now causing them real political problems.

Not because they care about doing the right thing, but purely for self preservation reasons

Re: U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

#820

My company has a H-1B guy that travelled home to India a few months ago and since then can't come back because the next date he can get with the US embassy is next year. Seems he may get stuck even longer... I am to some degree on board with keeping a closer eye on immigration, but the way the current administration does it feels intentionally cruel. The guy at my company has a house, wife, and kids in the US; his vi…

But nobody asked him to buy a house, have a kid etc. He came here supposedly with the intention of not staying permanently.
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