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U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

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Post by 999900000999 »

mobelkh wrote: post #776
deadbabe wrote: post #764

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Technically you should be taking your stuff with you when you leave the country, and not assume you will just be allowed back in. If anything, there are services that can deliver your stuff back to you, so this is not the big deal it seems to be.

oh yea, let me just uproot myself because immigration took too long and my company didn't want to wait. I'll just cancel my rental agreement, move my furniture across continents, cancel my other subscriptions, oh wait that's got a few month notice period so I'll have to pay up for months I don't need anymore, let alone all the friendships and social connections I made that I never got to say a proper goodbye to. This…

That’s the point. The current people in power don’t want immigrants because the vast majority of immigrants are non white.

The tall blond nordics they really want have no real motivation to deal with this bizarre BS as they usually already have a great standard of living in say Norway.

So you end up with a ton of folks from places where running water is still a luxury. A lot of these people are even excellent church attending Christians.

Not white though.

I really do think this country is ran by idiots. No one will be there to pick the crops, prisoners make poor farm hands.

The price of food will skyrocket, and if the rest of the world wants to punish us they could just suspend food imports to the US.

This was all predictable, and while the Democrats are far from perfect, at least you don’t have chaos.

Every country has the government it deserves.

Re: U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

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Post by jarym »

ifwinterco wrote: post #775
pjc50 wrote: post #694

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> That’s how it’s designed. On purpose. The cruelty is the point. (The UK system requires initial applications from overseas but I believe doesn't require you to leave for renewals)

Not at the moment, but the result of the current UK system has been huge uncontrolled levels of immigration leading to deep public resentment, so that may change in the future

‘Uncontrolled’ - surely the control point was the initial application being submitted from abroad?

It was very much ‘controlled’. We lost SO many European workers due to the obsession with EU Freedom of Movement that entire sectors like nursing were about to implode without a source of new workers.

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Post by account42 »

pjc50 wrote: post #694
conductr wrote: post #590

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> The issue here is that, if you just left the country to do everything the country asked you, you are now in limbo. I feel like I’ve said it a few times but - Yes, exactly. The country wants you to leave and then get’s to decide if you can come back. That’s how it’s designed. On purpose. You’re approaching it from a perspective where you’re being asked to leave and your reentry is a right. It’s not. They never said,…

> That’s how it’s designed. On purpose. The cruelty is the point. (The UK system requires initial applications from overseas but I believe doesn't require you to leave for renewals)

I don't now about the UK but having to leave to renew your visa is not unique to the US.

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Post by [deleted] »

lanstin wrote: post #547
rayiner wrote: post #475

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American immigration laws are designed to have a small stream of permanent immigration, both to protect american jobs and to protect american culture from foreign influence. That’s what people voted for over decades. The New York Times did a good podcast on the issue. https://youtu.be/xgDdTV7A57w . If you want to define “xenophobic” to encompass that then that’s your choice. I don't think that's a sensible or useful…

I know a lot of people that support these cruel and chaotic changes to our immigration laws and they are mostly xenophobic - they don’t like people speaking languages other than English at the store, they don’t like religions different than their own, they don’t like family traditions different than their own.

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Re: U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

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Post by throw83849499 »

foltik wrote: post #731
CTDOCodebases wrote: post #677

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"Instead, what they all have in common is a vague underlying fear of being displaced, or sense that something owed to them is being taken." This is true for both the citizens and the immigrants.

This comment is itself a perfect example of what I was talking about. Nobody feels entitled to a visa. It’s aspirational, like applying to a job. People do it because they want a better life, knowing full well they could be denied, or that it may well be temporary. But if you believe immigrants could take something from you, like your job or housing, then it makes sense you’d project this idea of entitlement onto the…

Maybe compare it from point of asian phd, who follows all rules, spends thousands of dollars, and years applying for job and visas... and much better treatment of people, who move to US illegally.

I stopped traveling to US, because during covid goverment, could not be even bothered to clarify entry rules (what sort of booster shots were needed etc). At the same time south border was widely opened. Clear rules and fair game, are the bare minimum!

There are fixed number of jobs, fixed number of houses to rent... it is not infinitive baloon.

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Post by MandieD »

tptacek wrote: post #557
s1artibartfast wrote: post #436

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Is extremely common in europe and asia

In which European countries?

Certainly not Germany - I renewed mine at the city's immigration office, which was even helpful enough at one renewal to point out that I was likely eligible for a permanent residence permit and supplied the list of documents to bring back to apply for that.

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

throwaway85825 wrote: post #537
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #513

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Would you have preferred that the US military stay at home during WW2 to avoid bombing anyone? You know that Japan was killing something like a Hiroshima and Nagasaki worth of civilians every month ?

I would have preferred the banks be told not to expect a bailout in 1914. Privatize the profits, socialize the losses. It's been a problem for a long time and the body count stretches into the millions.

How the heck is that related?

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Post by thayne »

seebeegeebee wrote: post #626
thayne wrote: post #620

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Maybe if legal immigration were more achievable we wouldn't have so many illegal immigrants.

Its VERY achievable. I've gone through it personally and it sucks just as much as legally immigrating to ANY other country on Earth. I've legally gone through this process in at least 5 countries and the US was the most expensive, but far from the worst.

> the US was the most expensive

In other words, completely inaccessible to many people who would like a better life and are willing to work but lack opportunities in their native country.

Just because it was achievable for you doesn't mean it is achievable for everyone.

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Post by dcow »

999900000999 wrote: post #791
mobelkh wrote: post #776

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oh yea, let me just uproot myself because immigration took too long and my company didn't want to wait. I'll just cancel my rental agreement, move my furniture across continents, cancel my other subscriptions, oh wait that's got a few month notice period so I'll have to pay up for months I don't need anymore, let alone all the friendships and social connections I made that I never got to say a proper goodbye to. This…

That’s the point. The current people in power don’t want immigrants because the vast majority of immigrants are non white. The tall blond nordics they really want have no real motivation to deal with this bizarre BS as they usually already have a great standard of living in say Norway. So you end up with a ton of folks from places where running water is still a luxury. A lot of these people are even excellent church…

I find the idea the only immigrants can do low skill labor kinda… obtuse. Maybe Americans should pick their own crops instead of living in a delusion that certain labor is beneath them. Boomer era “all my kids are going to get white collar jobs” type thinking isn’t sustainable.
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