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Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by cubefox »

dannyw wrote: post #133
GeertB wrote: post #108

Nvidia's been pretty terrible for open source / free software. No need to quote Linus Torvalds here. They want to control what runs on their hardware. They want to you write code against their proprietary drivers and APIs, not directly against the hardware (which these days of course also contains plenty of software, but still). Don't expect things to go differently this time around. Nvidia wants control over the sof…

NVIDIA is one of the most open labs. They even share many of their pre-training and even post-training datasets for Nemotron on HuggingFace; for example: https://huggingface.co/datasets/nvidia/Nemotron-Post-Trainin... Which other lab shares this? Yes, there is no question NVIDIA wants to lock you into CUDA and their hardware. But also, they’ve consistently demonstrated the most openness when it comes to model trainin…

Their (not especially great, compared to Chinese ones) models being open weight doesn't even come close to outweigh the effect of CUDA & Co being proprietary and closed.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by sdsuper »

dannyw wrote: post #133
GeertB wrote: post #108

Nvidia's been pretty terrible for open source / free software. No need to quote Linus Torvalds here. They want to control what runs on their hardware. They want to you write code against their proprietary drivers and APIs, not directly against the hardware (which these days of course also contains plenty of software, but still). Don't expect things to go differently this time around. Nvidia wants control over the sof…

NVIDIA is one of the most open labs. They even share many of their pre-training and even post-training datasets for Nemotron on HuggingFace; for example: https://huggingface.co/datasets/nvidia/Nemotron-Post-Trainin... Which other lab shares this? Yes, there is no question NVIDIA wants to lock you into CUDA and their hardware. But also, they’ve consistently demonstrated the most openness when it comes to model trainin…

Not really just to counter Anthropic

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by asimovDev »

matesz wrote: post #323

Forgive me for newb question, but why Hugging Face is a thing at all? Couldn't models be simply distributed via torrents? And the whole aggregator thing would come down to indexing magent links published by model providers?

beating the dead horse after other dozen comments, but the same reason we use github / gitlab instead of using Savannah

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by Gerard22Aug »

alightsoul wrote: post #167
abixb wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Great for devs, for a while. Awful for overall competition and industry's health. I think the federal antitrust regulators are asleep. Edit: antitrust regulators' job has just begun -- we'll see how this deal gets adjudicated by the FTC (if at all).

You can torrent and seed these models via torrenting. They are not piracy so there's no problem hosting them besides maybe not having enough bandwidth

... You wouldn't steal a car ... you wouldn't steal a bag ... piracy is a crime. (Girl cancels the download and walks away from the PC. Remember? :-))

That is what will happen to torrents. Followed by VPNs. China, Russia and Iran had paved the way already.

Can't you see the puzzle coming toghether?

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by walrus01 »

matesz wrote: post #323

Forgive me for newb question, but why Hugging Face is a thing at all? Couldn't models be simply distributed via torrents? And the whole aggregator thing would come down to indexing magent links published by model providers?

> Forgive me for newb question, but why Hugging Face is a thing at all?

Because you can't host arbitrarily large files on github, it's basically become a defacto "publish your project here" thing.

For a CN domestic equivalent take a look at Modelscope.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by rbreve »

raincole wrote: post #332
matesz wrote: post #323

Forgive me for newb question, but why Hugging Face is a thing at all? Couldn't models be simply distributed via torrents? And the whole aggregator thing would come down to indexing magent links published by model providers?

Why is any file hosting service ever a thing at all, when literally any file can simply be distributed via torrents?

Torrents are unreliable, also for an agent or script it's easier to just do wget model

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by iLoveOncall »

Conol_ai wrote: post #131

The more interesting is HF turned down a $500M Nvidia investment late last year at a $7B valuation, after passing on a $235M round in 2023 at $4.5B — going from "we don't want a dominant investor" to a $13B full acquisition in under a year is quite the reversal.

Oh yeah, so surprising to refuse $500M that go in the pockets of your company that is now owned in large part by the investor, but then accept $13B that go directly in your own pockets.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by Gerard22Aug »

gscott wrote: post #272
manlymuppet wrote: post #27

Potentially horrible for monopoly reasons, but if other big acquisitions in the AI era teach us anything, developers are about to get a whole lot of free and discounted trial credits. That’s at least a plus. I will happily burn through as much VC money as they will give me to tinker with my projects.

The Government plans to regulate open source ai. Nvidea is dependent on the Government to back loans, provide property, and make laws in their favor. Now they have ownership of what the Government wants to control. A perfect wedge they can use to get more from the Government.

100x this: "The Government plans to regulate open source ai." and ... s/regulate/restrict
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