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Re: An ongoing 3D-printer AGPL violation

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

qwerpy wrote: post #34
hamdingers wrote: post #15

For current owners who want to avoid Bambu's servers entirely, consider LAN mode with OrcaSlicer and this open source reverse engineered networking plugin: https://github.com/ClusterM/open-bamboo-networking I have verified that my P2S in LAN mode never attempts to make external connections at all (blocked it anyway, of course) and OrcaSlicer + this plugin never attempts to connect to any of Bambu's servers. My P2S is…

LAN mode works well with home assistant and some HACS Bambu integration. Takes some setup but then you get real time camera feed and all the nice sensors for temp, humidity, including any AMS you have. I connected mine to Bambu server for the app just to see what it does, and my home assistant setup still works over LAN. Great printers and for now offline modes work well.

I run this on the home server w/ caddy-tailscale, and I can slice/print from anywhere with a nice easily rememberable domain name. I run a P1S in LAN mode and have it firewalled from actual internet access.

https://github.com/linuxserver/docker-orcaslicer

Re: An ongoing 3D-printer AGPL violation

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Post by Gigachad »

dspillett wrote: post #62
ZiiS wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They built on a foundation of not respecting US intellectual property; copyright licenses were also ignored.

Any intellectual property (though they only get away with internal transgressions if their government approves). Unfortunately that seems to increasingly be the status quo these days, look at US companies and their attitude to IP when it suits them to ignore licenses for LLM training purposes.

IP will only be respected if there is a mutually beneficial reason to do it. The US would need to offer China something they need in exchange for enforcing IP.

The US does not respect the EU's Protected Designation of Origin laws because they have more to gain by ignoring them. China has more to gain by ignoring US IP laws.

Re: An ongoing 3D-printer AGPL violation

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Post by MBCook »

daringrain32781 wrote: post #108
m4rtink wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any reason why you did not choose a PRusa 3D printer ? From my experience those work well, are mucxh more open & don't do any of the stupid shit Bambu is trying to pull off.

For me, price. Bambu's offerings are a fraction of what Prusa charges.

Now you know part of why.

Re: An ongoing 3D-printer AGPL violation

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

hamdingers wrote: post #82
dgellow wrote: post #16

After reading the article I don’t understand what the downloaded components are blocking in the slicer. What features aren’t available?

It's the networking plugin that talks to the printer over the network (while exporting gobs of telemetry to Bambu's servers). Without the networking plugin you cannot monitor your printer or send prints to it remotely. You can copy files to a flash drive and print that way.

To be clear for anyone else reading: those are the official options. But there are plenty of alternatives that allow for using a Bambu remotely. It just won't be quite as polished an experience as finding a model in Handy and hitting print.

Re: An ongoing 3D-printer AGPL violation

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

tamimio wrote: post #95

I wasn’t following bambu-drama, what’s a good alternative that have equal good quality/precision and won’t require taking a loan to buy?

The A1s/As minis are dead cheap. I don't know if you'll find anything much better for a competitive price, frankly.

Re: An ongoing 3D-printer AGPL violation

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

dspillett wrote: post #62
ZiiS wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They built on a foundation of not respecting US intellectual property; copyright licenses were also ignored.

Any intellectual property (though they only get away with internal transgressions if their government approves). Unfortunately that seems to increasingly be the status quo these days, look at US companies and their attitude to IP when it suits them to ignore licenses for LLM training purposes.

Shhh, don't point out the massive isomorphic plagiarism of GPL, markup user, and BSD licensed code.

People want to pretend LLM vector search compaction output isn't copyright and trademark violation. We are in the Napster phase of the market exploitation.

On a positive note there is nothing left of value to steal/scrape, so the problem will likely eventually be self-correcting. =3

Re: An ongoing 3D-printer AGPL violation

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Yohvee7u wrote: post #122
ThouYS wrote: post #112

copyright etc has been dead the moment the personal computer arrived. we are still living through the chaos of the new world being born, but I think it has been over for a while already. I would be very surprised if any kind of license like the GPL (or any license for published code) is left in 100 years or so. DRM is another face of the same struggle, and this too shall pass. Ironically, DRM coming from the same sou…

That's the whole point and philosophy behind the GPL. That's why it's called "copyleft". It's about taking copyright law as it currently exists and using it subversively.

That subversion is key to GPL but it's not the point. The point is to get the code shared as widely as possible.

The person you're talking to is missing that point because they're starting at "freely copyable", while the actual default is that code is never published at all. GPL is compromise to push source code 90% of the way to "freely copyable" because the alternative is usually 0% copyable.

Re: An ongoing 3D-printer AGPL violation

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Post by xavdid »

m4rtink wrote: post #66
herbst wrote: post #41

I never used Windows, I never used Apple, I never used Adobe, I made my life harder than I needed to for my ideals... Now I am old and have enough hobbies and want things that just work. Got an iPad, and honestly most apps actually suck and cost monthly subscriptions plus app price, got a windows PC for music and it's horrible and full of ads. But these 3d printers actually just work. From a customer standpoint I can…

Any reason why you did not choose a PRusa 3D printer ? From my experience those work well, are mucxh more open & don't do any of the stupid shit Bambu is trying to pull off.

I traded a Prusa MK3S for a secondhand Bambu P1S and it was night and day. I believe the prusa could have gotten to a place where it printed well and consistently, but the P1S *just works*. It printed better out of the gate with 0 tinkering than the Prusa did after I had spent hours calibrating, testing, and re-calibrating it.

I wanted the Prusa to be just as good, which is why I started with it. I wanted to support the open ecosystem, but not at the expense of not getting to do what I actually set out to (print things nicely). It's a shame! Maybe I was holding it wrong (but again, with the Bambu, I didn't have to worry about it).

Re: An ongoing 3D-printer AGPL violation

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Post by hWuxH »

ChickeNES wrote: post #96
bluGill wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For this discussion it makes no difference.

It very much does, as this is a AGPL violation being discussed, not a GPL violation.

it literally makes no difference for the bambustsudio program you download. GPL has the same corresponding source clause

Re: An ongoing 3D-printer AGPL violation

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Post by hWuxH »

Aurornis wrote: post #13

> Kühn said; they often rely on mechanisms that an actual judge is not going to care about. In this case, Bambu Studio would pop up a request to download "a little more stuff" with the classic choices of "Yes" or "Ask me later"; users eventually figure out that some functionality in the slicer does not work until they click "Yes". The extras that are downloaded are two .so files built from C++ source. Those shared-li…

* 2022-05-23: KickStarter launch, distributing Bambu Studio binaries to every backer, reviewer and influencer *without source code*. They also sanitized the About dialog and removed any open-source attributions, AGPL disclosures, or links to the underlying PrusaSlicer/Slic3r code. [https://www.reddit.com/r/BambuLab/comments/vnzpie/comment/ie...](https://www.reddit.com/r/BambuLab/comments/vnzpie/comment/ie...)

* 2022-05-29: Admitted it's based on PrusaSlicer [https://blog.bambulab.com/to-open-or-not-to-open-that-is-the...](https://blog.bambulab.com/to-open-or-not-to-open-that-is-the...) * "We would like to ask for the understanding of the community to give us some time *before we open-source* Parts 1 and 2, which is scheduled for the second half of this year." - admitted it's currently an AGPL violation

* 2022-06-29: Evidence. "GPL requires release of source the moment binaries are out. Many people have had the binaries for weeks. They are 100% in violation". [https://x.com/DreadMakerAdam/status/1542216014984876036](https://x.com/DreadMakerAdam/status/1542216014984876036)

* ???

* 2022-07-15: They only dumped it (with prior git history squashed) onto GitHub months after the initial release, after immense community pressure. [https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBambu/comments/1thfslw/comment/...](https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBambu/comments/1thfslw/comment/...) [https://github.com/bambulab/BambuStudio/issues/1](https://github.com/bambulab/BambuStudio/issues/1)

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