macOS is so terrible. Godspeed!
Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2
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Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2
#12Fantastic to see the progress and a fascinating detailed write-up. You have to appreciate the effort Apple puts into security - goes some way to understanding why they won't endorse/support installing an alternative operating system.
Apple has gone through tremendous effort to enable alternative operating systems on Apple Silicon Macs: https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/open-os-interop/
Are you sure you linked the right page? This looks like a list of workarounds the Asahi team had to figure out.
Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most of those accommodations are for macOS, and make very few (if any) concessions for alternative operating systems. We're talking Qualcomm-tier effort. Intel and AMD set the standard for "tremendous effort" bringing up support for alternative OSes. Nvidia follows behind, and Apple's support is (somehow) behind Nvidia's foot-dragging.
This is true, although Apple could of just as easily prevented alternative OSes as a whole if they wanted to.
They already have the ability to prevent alternative operating systems. They use the same or similar SoCs in their other product lines and those do not let you do this.
Yes, Apple put effort into making it possible to install alternative operating systems on Macs, but that is an exception to the design because the chips are designed to be locked down. I expect Apple to remove the option at some point because nobody is using it on any of the recent hardware.
Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2
#14I was seriously worried the various incompatibilities the M3 bootloader had with Asahi's debugging setup would mean way slower bring-up than M1 and M2 had. Seems like that wasn't the case - or, at least, won't be the case anymore.
Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2
#15I was seriously worried the various incompatibilities the M3 bootloader had with Asahi's debugging setup would mean way slower bring-up than M1 and M2 had. Seems like that wasn't the case - or, at least, won't be the case anymore.
Seems like once they got past that things weren’t too bad. Could have been way more incompatibilities waiting on the other side.
Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2
#16This project has been so impressive and exciting. I hope power management is a serious concern once they nail all the reverse engineering and functionality. Battery life would be a huge differentiator for the day to day macbook usage and traditionally Linux has been terrible at that due to lack of proprietary & highly tuned drivers
How likely is such tuning to happen within the practical lifetime of these devices? It's already been years and Linux isn't even feature complete on newer models.
Apple's indifference to OSS does not give me much hope.
Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2
#17Fantastic to see the progress and a fascinating detailed write-up. You have to appreciate the effort Apple puts into security - goes some way to understanding why they won't endorse/support installing an alternative operating system.
Apple has gone through tremendous effort to enable alternative operating systems on Apple Silicon Macs: https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/open-os-interop/
Absolutely not. They put in the literal bare minimum possible effort short of locking down the platform entirely.
You get a jmp to some arm64 instructions of your choosing, with a bunch of CPU features locked out.
Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple has gone through tremendous effort to enable alternative operating systems on Apple Silicon Macs: https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/open-os-interop/
Are you sure you linked the right page? This looks like a list of workarounds the Asahi team had to figure out.
Oh, my bad, I think the one I intended was this one: https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/security/#apples-unspok...
> Rumours circulating that Apple are actively hostile towards efforts such as Asahi, or that their security must be bypassed or jailbroken to run untrusted code are unfounded and false. In fact, Apple have expended effort and time on improving their security tooling in ways that only improve the execution of non-macOS binaries. An example of this is giving their Boot Policy configuration tool the ability to wrap raw AArch64 code in a proper Mach-O format starting with macOS 12.1. This is only ever required for enrolling a boot object that is not already a macOS kernelcache.
Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple has gone through tremendous effort to enable alternative operating systems on Apple Silicon Macs: https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/open-os-interop/
Absolutely not. They put in the literal bare minimum possible effort short of locking down the platform entirely. You get a jmp to some arm64 instructions of your choosing, with a bunch of CPU features locked out.
I will admit I am a bit confused by them locking out features like that, especially since they didn't at first. I wouldn't jump to assuming it's hostile, though.
Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you sure you linked the right page? This looks like a list of workarounds the Asahi team had to figure out.
Oh, my bad, I think the one I intended was this one: https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/security/#apples-unspok... > Rumours circulating that Apple are actively hostile towards efforts such as Asahi, or that their security must be bypassed or jailbroken to run untrusted code are unfounded and false. In fact, Apple have expended effort and time on improving their security tooling in ways that only improve the execut…
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