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Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30

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> My favorite part of AMT is always going to be figuring out that if we only paid in $0.07 intervals, their commission algorithm would round down to the nearest whole cent when their 20% commission resulted in a fractional cent on the unit transaction level, not the monthly invoice level. can someone ELI5 because what in the office space

20% of 0.07 was billed as 1 cent, not 1.4 nor rounded up to 2.

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Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30

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The industry is so backwards, there are residential proxy companies that are directly paid by one of the largest market research firms. I have discussed this at length https://www.reddit.com/r/Marketresearch/comments/1s2tl0o/ope... It should be a bipartisan issue that a Swedish company is paying a UAE Residential Proxy company [1] to build tools that allow people from anywhere in the world to take US political polls…

Polling data isn't some guaranteed right or something. If you ask the Internet questions and then sell the collated answers, it's your job to authenticate the responses or your polls will be wildly wrong and people will stop buying them. Which is already the case and nobody but a bunch of campaign contractors who can't justify their do nothing jobs anymore cares.

I just remembered that in the story "Simulacron-3", there is ostensibly a law requiring people to respond to opinion polls. It is illegal to refuse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacron-3

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Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30

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I think yes but on different categories. First one I imagine is robotics control and support. "This robot is having trouble folding a tshirt help it out for 1$" Unless they go the waymo route of highly trusted people but I think mass deployed robots are a bit safer than a car for this.

This is what I meant by full stack AI companies. I don't think you could get humans into the loop fast enough if they didn't have some idea of the type of task involved. I don't want people to be asked to fold a tshirt one moment and do a difficult traffic merge the next.

There is training systems and validation of skills in mturk iirc: for tshirt folding, you'd be given fake setups to be able to get used to controlling the robot, if you can't do it, you won't ever get assignments to do it. For traffic overrides, you'd be tested on having correct knowledge, and once again given supervised tasks to show you can actually be trusted (and there would be safety systems, elevating tasks that can't be performed at your level to people who can, etc)

The worker needs to do a bunch to opt into any given work group, which makes the (lack of) payments extremely unreasonable on top of everything else

Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30

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our of curiosity, can you say what your use of it was?

Initially the annotation of biomedical literature ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25592589/ ) but left academia for commercial use where we transitioned to arbitrage the market research and ephemeral task markets. It was essentially a research panel with a underdeveloped UI for tasks.. so abstract away AMT's tooling so it can be used by any buyer in the ResTech, Political Polling and Data Annotation space My favori…

That’s top-tier “OfficeSpace” thinking there…

Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30

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Initially the annotation of biomedical literature ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25592589/ ) but left academia for commercial use where we transitioned to arbitrage the market research and ephemeral task markets. It was essentially a research panel with a underdeveloped UI for tasks.. so abstract away AMT's tooling so it can be used by any buyer in the ResTech, Political Polling and Data Annotation space My favori…

I truly have no idea what this website is saying https://generalresearch.com/

“ General Research combines coordinated operations to identify and neutralize foreign actors using technological advancements, international covert operations, and networking analysis as an Internet Service Provider.”

What is so hard to understand????

Re: Mechanical Turk shutting down September 30

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Why it's Transactional Systems for Ephemeral Tasks, don't you know? No but same here. The other pages lead to more confusion.

My favourite part is the "our customers" section [0], starting with > Ripe with fraud, labor exploitation, political polling manipulation I am not sure if they want to convey what I think I am reading or not. [0] https://generalresearch.com/mission/#:~:text=Our%20Customers

Buyer A is presented with the following rate card:

Of course they'll bid saying their 14 min survey only takes 9 min to complete. Buyers try to cheat pricing strategies of exchanges just as much as respondents try to cheat buyers on survey platforms. Both parties can't be trusted and have adverse incentives.

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