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The Tariff Cost: analysis of the costs to Americans from new tariffs on Canada

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Re: The Tariff Cost: analysis of the costs to Americans from new tariffs on Canada

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Post by vkou »

ericmay wrote: post #25
foxyv wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea is that tariffs cut both ways. They increase prices for foreign goods as well as reduce demand for imports causing job losses in the exporting country. The original tariffs increase prices and the retaliatory tariffs reduce demand for American products causing job loss.

Yes but since Canada is also initiating new tariffs (they've had existing ones for specific products and industries already) so anything said here applies to Canada as well. For example Canadian tariffs increase prices and their retaliatory tariffs also reduce demand for Canadian products leading to job losses.

> anything said here applies to Canada as well.

Correct. But Canada didn't start this trade war, all it can do is respond to it.

And the correct way to respond to a bully, fraud, and liar is tit-for-tat. Tax his exports, tax your irreplaceable exports. Tax and block his digital and media services.

Re: The Tariff Cost: analysis of the costs to Americans from new tariffs on Canada

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Post by ThunderSizzle »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #69
declan_roberts wrote: post #52

Canada is very unfortunately caught in the trade war between the USA and China. It's pretty easy right now for certain goods to bypass the US tariffs by being transshipped through Canada and enter the USA without tariff because of minimal processing. Chinese steel is a notable example of this. And a lot of Canada's trade MOUs with other countries basically requires they have this special privilege. So there's gonna b…

> Canada is very unfortunately caught in the trade war between the USA and China Ottawa is fighting Anchluss . The MAGA wing is entirely serious about annexing Canada. Carney, for a change, is right. Canada is being attacked.

I think MAGA would be okay with the...fly over provinces..is that what they would be called?

The rest is too woke, too British, and too CCP oriented to work with.

Re: The Tariff Cost: analysis of the costs to Americans from new tariffs on Canada

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Post by jleyank »

snapcaster wrote: post #40
nickff wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "the worst thing that could happen is this, a vain and incompetent buffoon installed in the top leadership position." Well, Canada repeatedly elected Justin Trudeau (now departed)... so both countries have made some... interesting decisions...

oh come on, you can't seriously be comparing those two. One of them can form complete sentences

In at least two languages.

Re: The Tariff Cost: analysis of the costs to Americans from new tariffs on Canada

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Post by jleyank »

ericmay wrote: post #166
tensor wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ok, and then Canada needs things that the US has, as does the EU. Both Canada and the EU also have to get products and commodities from brutal dictatorships. This is a poor argument - what exactly are you trying to prove here? No, actually, we don't. If you are including "hypothetical future sources" which it seems you are, then Canada and EU can get everything they need from places other than the US. The only one…

Ok, and then the US can get everything it needs from non Canadian or EU sources, and then we can just get maybe lay a little more or find alternative sources where needed. > Also no, Canada and the EU do not generally do a lot of trade with brutal dictatorships, Still do trade though, even with Russia. Hell, the EU still lets in Russian tourists, hosts their billionaires, and their children. The EU trades massively w…

The us is closer to a dictatorship than at any time in the recent past. Ruling by executive order is rather close to ruling by decree and neither congress or the scotus care.

Re: The Tariff Cost: analysis of the costs to Americans from new tariffs on Canada

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Post by specialist »

epolanski wrote: post #85
sobellian wrote: post #49

Imagine you want to build a factory in the US. You pay tariffs on the factory equipment you need - much of it is made overseas. You pay tariffs on your input goods. And then when you try to export your customers get hit with a retaliatory tariff. I don't agree with tariffs but even if we accept some level of protectionism you can't tariff everything the way this administration wants. You have to pick what you actuall…

Protectionism and tariffs simply don't work in the global world. Capitalism will keep producing things where they make sense not where politicians want. Exceptions make sense only to protect industries that are absolutely vital and critical for security. Ship building should be one of those for countries like US or UK. Or when you want to kickstart an industry and need to protect it for a limited amount of time (Kore…

> ...don't work in the global world.

Exactly. The tarriffs are but a part of the attack on the previous status quo.

The current Admin is hostile to neoliberalism, globalism, the maritime order, sole superpower, international comity, etc.

We've been heading towards a multi-polar world order for a while. It is what it is.

The current Admin is speed running the transition. There is no theory, workdview, vision for whatever comes next. Or how to get there. Just cronyism and patronage.

The prior Admin, whatever its faults, had a plan for navigating the transition, unwinding neoliberalism, to invest in domestic capacity and supply chains. (And it was working.)

But now the plan is calvinball.

Re: The Tariff Cost: analysis of the costs to Americans from new tariffs on Canada

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Post by diego_moita »

spacemule wrote: post #29

Am I the only one who finds this site undecipherable? Take this snippet for example: American exporters $16.0B of what American exporters sell to Canada sits in headings Canada taxes today, 10.5% of the total. From 8 September it is $26.5B. See whose jobs What does "sits in headings Canada taxes" mean? Whatever this means, how does it jump to $26.5B from $16.0B on a single date? Don't things have to enter for tariffs…

It is AI slop. It was written using Claude Code.

The language is very like Claude Code with Opus 5: no prepositions, unclear references, ambiguous, bad phrase transitions, ...

And the css is exactly the same that Claude Code uses for its artifacts and documentation.

Re: The Tariff Cost: analysis of the costs to Americans from new tariffs on Canada

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Post by swingboy »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #5
Marsymars wrote: post #2

This site looks good, and it's nice that it has data sources, but it would also be nice if it was clear about who built the site.

Claude built the site, it's obvious from the style. Which is to say that anybody with a $200 subscription and access to Namecheap and Netlify could have built the site in one hour flat. There's no longer any need for an NGO, media nonprofit, or lobbying group to build such things; the effort required has been reduced to near-zero, so anybody can do it.

And it doesn't look that great. The CSS is all fucked up for me the more you scroll down. No padding in most of the sections. Also, "modelled", lol. I guess that's Claude's British English at work again.

Re: The Tariff Cost: analysis of the costs to Americans from new tariffs on Canada

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Post by gruez »

Throaway826 wrote: post #84
ericmay wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone else shared this article [1] and I was reading a quote I thought was interesting: “[Canada] has a large dairy producing constituency that it wants to protect, so they put a cap on imports that can be accessed at a competitive rate. That's what we call a ‘TRQ’ (tariff rate quota),” says Becky Rasdall Vargas, senior vice president of trade and workforce policy at the International Dairy Foods Association. Under…

The main reason the Dairy Supply quota is in place is to stop US dairy producers from dumping dairy into Canada. That's why the USA has never reached the tarriff limit. The big producers there would just dump 20 million litres at once if they could. They aren't interested in 1 or two. And if they were able to do that, the Canadian producers would go under. So its kinda simple, the Dairy Supply system is there to prot…

>So its kinda simple, the Dairy Supply system is there to protect the Canadian Dairy industry. If it was removed, we would be flooded with cheap, low-quality US milk.

Flooded? Cheap? Yes. Low quality? Doubtful. If quality were the sticking point, you'd expect this would be amicably resolved with equal standards for both domestic and imported milk.

Re: The Tariff Cost: analysis of the costs to Americans from new tariffs on Canada

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Post by mthoms »

declan_roberts wrote: post #111
mthoms wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's pretty easy right now for certain goods to bypass the US tariffs by being transshipped through Canada and enter the USA without tariff because of minimal processing. This talking point keeps getting repeated on HN. Always without sources because the only source is a dubious White House "report" that is nothing more than a manufactured reason for buying an expensive new AI system (probably from a big donor). htt…

I haven't personally seen it on HN but it has been an issue at least since the beginning of tariffs, and there's significant rules in the original NAFTA agreement to try and curb it. So it's not new, and definitely predates that report. Here's a NYT article from April about the difficulty in preventing transhipping. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/tariffs-trade...

Where does it say "it's pretty easy" to do this via Canada? Canada isn't even mentioned in your source. Only Asian countries are. Please stop repeating as fact nonsense you vaguely half-remember hearing somewhere. It's very Trumpian. The whole world isn't out to get you.

I'm not saying trans-shipping doesn't happen. I'm sure it does. But your framing was entirely baseless.

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