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An ongoing 3D-printer AGPL violation

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Re: An ongoing 3D-printer AGPL violation

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I never used Windows, I never used Apple, I never used Adobe, I made my life harder than I needed to for my ideals...

Now I am old and have enough hobbies and want things that just work.

Got an iPad, and honestly most apps actually suck and cost monthly subscriptions plus app price, got a windows PC for music and it's horrible and full of ads.

But these 3d printers actually just work.

From a customer standpoint I can't blame them, it's sad that they can't be at least a little less evil

Re: An ongoing 3D-printer AGPL violation

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I think the Bambu case is a good one to litigate the AGPL but perhaps should start in the Court of International Trade. That court has the power to block imports as part of a TRO which would shut down a lot of their revenue from the US at least. Doing something similar in Europe would also help apply pressure. Takes lawyers and money though, of which there is certainly not enough of the latter. Not to be too glib her…

> I think the Bambu case is a good one to litigate the AGPL but perhaps should start in the Court of International Trade. IMHO that kind of stuff would have to go through the WTO but unfortunately Trump gutted that one already way back in his first term.

Some context on the US/WTO conflict. It started under Obama, blocking reappointment of two judges. Trump in term 1 went all in, stopping all appointments. When Biden was elected he fully maintained and supported the policy of blocking judges. So it has been more of a bipartisan policy than "Trump gutted".

https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-administration-continues-be-...

Re: An ongoing 3D-printer AGPL violation

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Bamboo has been sketch and proprietary since the beginning. It's such a shame to see the maker community get sucked in (though I guess there is precedence wrt Fusion et.al.)

It was really depressing when I realized that people will buy a sketchy product which is hurting the community and makers of non-sketchy products because "its cheaper and its not like my purchase is gonna change things one way or another."

It is selfish and short sighted, and it leaves their future impoverished, but in the moment they "got a good deal."

Re: An ongoing 3D-printer AGPL violation

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At this point there are so many alternatives that we should fully be into the “friends don’t let friends buy Bambu Labs products” but alas we are not. It’s absolutely insane how little they would have to do to be good community members and choose not to.

I am not sure if that is actually the case. Everyone I know with anything else than a bambu still has regular maintenance, constant adjustment and failures. Bambu just works. Sure prusa are cool too, but much more expensive and still more maintenance. I honestly don't want another maintenance hobby. I just want something that works and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

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Re: An ongoing 3D-printer AGPL violation

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Bamboo has been sketch and proprietary since the beginning. It's such a shame to see the maker community get sucked in (though I guess there is precedence wrt Fusion et.al.)

Some people like to use tools to make something possible/easy. Others like the tools themselves.

The Bambu printers, at the time of their release, were an incredibly superior pieces of hardware and software that was priced very very well and, this was a really big deal, worked fully right out of the box.

It was a pretty clear choice in either dicking around with the tools, or actually using the tool to make things. They caused a huge shift in the industry because it was silly to NOT buy a Bambu, if you wanted to actually make things.

I love open source software, but I also know that a team of focused, dedicated, high skill, engineers, who are financially motivated with big paychecks, to do well, will often do a better job making something proprietary than a bunch of volunteers doing it for fun, on the weekends. Ffs, we didn't get a half ass implementation (thanks to shite 8 bit boards everyone was using) of motion/vibration compensation in all the open source firmwares, a tech from the 1960's, until right before Bambu's release. It's still not available in most. Pressure compensation was still relatively new.

Re: An ongoing 3D-printer AGPL violation

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At this point there are so many alternatives that we should fully be into the “friends don’t let friends buy Bambu Labs products” but alas we are not. It’s absolutely insane how little they would have to do to be good community members and choose not to.

Which alternatives?

Re: An ongoing 3D-printer AGPL violation

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We just purchased a brand new top of the line Bambu with all the accessories, only for it to be defective on arrival. Their front panel display uses such thin fonts, it makes it almost impossible to read without glasses, and their error codes just send you in infinite loops that make you want to pull your hair out. They really spin themselves as the end all and be all to turn key professional 3d printing, and the rea…

That hasn’t been my experience, for me their software and hardware makes them the Apple of 3d printing. It’s something my mother could use, and everything works out of the box and is simple to maintain. The H2 series is awesome

Yeah, their devices simply worked and worked fine for us.
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