So this is somewhat similar to Iroh?
Tailcat – Like netcat, but over Tailscale’s data plane
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#23This is smart. It's Magic Wormhole but for generalized connectivity, not just file transfer.
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#24What's the risk of malware using this for C&C or otherwise? Hackers love communication channels that are difficult to take down individually.
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#25So this is somewhat similar to Iroh? https://github.com/n0-computer/iroh
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#26I did the homemade version of this for years just with SSH forwarding and nginx reverse proxy
but without nat traversal...
Is NAT traversal actually that big of a feature? The category of people that would use a tool like this already knows many ways to do it without NAT getting in the way.
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#27i like that it removes tailscale proprietary. if that is goal then why not go 100% open source to eliminate the ts derp control as well and get full sovereignty? like netbird, openziti, zerotier, etc.
Umm, we have a full opensource Tailscale stack now?
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#28I enjoy that they supply a nix install/environment, similar to the main tailscale/tailscale repo. Is nix widespread or the standard dev environment at tailscale, or is it like a 10% option and most people just use Docker or whatever?
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#29>"like netcat, but over Tailscale's data plane" Half of the Software offering nowadays seems to be selling vendor lock-in at no added value and then making a profit. Sure there's always some negligible added value, and then they reinvent a whole stack for their ecosystem. In the case of tailscale the added value seems to be avoiding going into your router and activating port forwarding? It looks like negative added v…
...this is a github repo. Pointing to an open source project. That is not forced to use any vendor-specific systems to function.
It's a pattern that occurs in commercial software yes, but Open Source has its own version of building mirror ecosystems. Collaborating to bleeding edge issues on robust infrastructure is very hard, so junior engineers that want to collaborate in open source (often for reputation building) can do so in these mirror ecosystems, it's an added bonus if they believe that they are contributing to the bleeding edge instead of rebuilding an enantiomer tech stack.
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#30I enjoy that they supply a nix install/environment, similar to the main tailscale/tailscale repo. Is nix widespread or the standard dev environment at tailscale, or is it like a 10% option and most people just use Docker or whatever?
It's not our standard dev environment but some of us use Nix. We don't really use Docker much, though. Mostly just "go test" etc.