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Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by SyneRyder »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #62
respectattentio wrote: post #31

it's for sure better than deepseek flash 07/31

That is saying a lot if Ox Alpha is also small and relatively cheap computationally. I hope so; I love deepseek-v4-flash-0731 and use it frequently. Fast inference is good and fits with my dev style: I like to be in the loop, not let an agent code on its own for long periods of time.

From their blog post, it's 320B total parameters and 18B active parameters, so a similar size, but slightly bigger.

Regular pricing is $0.15 input, $0.50 output... but currently 50% off, making it $0.075 input and $0.25 output. That beats most of the V4 Flash providers, but not all, and obviously tokens per task may not be equivalent.

I've also just noticed the blog post reveals the Artificial Analysis score - it's a 57, so it's Opus 4.8 / 5.6 Terra level.

https://z.ai/blog/glm-5.3-flash

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by owebmaster »

cute_boi wrote: post #139
owebmaster wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny that you chose the exactly model that has a huge fanbase asking for it to be added back. ChatGPT 4o got a lot of people addicted. https://mashable.com/article/chatgpt-gpt-4o-ai-retirement-pr...

I feel it is the only model which has some humanity/empathy in many situation compared to latest "intelligent" model.

I'm risking having less "humanity/empathy" than ChatGPT 4o now but that's a socializing problem of the people feeling that way. Models are calculators, not therapists/friends.

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by zamalek »

johndough wrote: post #129
_pdp_ wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doom loops are as much of a model problem as it is deficiency of the harness. I have not seen any other open source harness that deals with them except the one I started because of this obvious gap. See my other comment with examples where 0x Alpha is working non-stop on various projects with zero problems.

How do you recover from doom loops? Just send the same prompt again and pray that it works, or anything more sophisticated?

I'm not 100% sure what I'd do to detect this for shells specifically, maybe prompt the user, but my toy harness scolds refuses to re-read files because the previous iteration of GLM was room-looping on that. Clearly something that they need to work on.

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by Alifatisk »

colesantiago wrote: post #36
Alifatisk wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have plenty of these websites, I can’t understand why someone is doing this.

It is called phishing and grifting. Many people and even software engineers fall for this all the time. Most of these people are from crypto pivoting to AI doing this. AI has made this easier and cheaper and it is going to get a LOT worse. Imagine lots of websites with typosquatting and looking exactly the same as another website, vibe coded and cloned within seconds. The public have no chance.

What is there to phish? These are simple vibe coded websites providing information for a certain topic, nothing else. In this case, that 2nd url is a website with information regarding the new model as well as a broken chat interface to try out.

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by Leynos »

cute_boi wrote: post #139
owebmaster wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny that you chose the exactly model that has a huge fanbase asking for it to be added back. ChatGPT 4o got a lot of people addicted. https://mashable.com/article/chatgpt-gpt-4o-ai-retirement-pr...

I feel it is the only model which has some humanity/empathy in many situation compared to latest "intelligent" model.

The latest snapshot of 5.6 Sol feels disturbingly 4o like at times on high in ChatGPT. Although it swears like a sailor

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by kadoban »

_pdp_ wrote: post #105
ricardobeat wrote: post #59

I had Ox Alpha working on coding tasks for a couple days non-stop, via OpenRouter and OpenCode Zen. Crush harness. It was able to complete tasks at a level that I'd put between Sonnet and Opus. It makes few mistakes, but is not that smart. The main issue for me, is that it degraded into a doom loop several times. One of them was running the same bash command about a thousand times. The last model I've used that had t…

Doom loops are as much of a model problem as it is deficiency of the harness. I have not seen any other open source harness that deals with them except the one I started because of this obvious gap. See my other comment with examples where 0x Alpha is working non-stop on various projects with zero problems.

Pi.dev has an extension that does it. None of the models I use seem to have that failure mode so I haven't bothered throwing it in.

The failure mode I run into commonly is agents just stop sometimes. Even sending a "." Or something they start back up, but I haven't worked out exactly how to fix that generally in harness, bit unclear how to tell if they're done or just derped to a stop.

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by hnfong »

square_usual wrote: post #130
seydor wrote: post #27

Funny how all china companies are expected to release weights by default

Xi has made it official policy, see his keynote speech at their World AI Conference last month: > We should seize this rare, historic opportunity to encourage open source, openness, collaboration and sharing. [1] People have pointed that this seemingly made Alibaba/Qwen turn around from closing their models (this was rumored after the shakeup early this year [2]) and release the weights for even the Max variant of th…

Alibaba execs probably had PTSD from last time they attempted to defy CCP policy...

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by brotchie »

sunbum wrote: post #13
WithinReason wrote: post #9

Mixed signals, here it's performing below even GPT-5.4 Nano: https://livebench.ai/ while here it outperforms Fable by a significant margin: https://oxalpha.com/ but if the latter is true, will people still say it was "distilled" from Fable?

the 2nd website is not official, just something someone slopped together for some reason.

I'm going steal "slopped together", great quip.

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by segmondy »

conradludgate wrote: post #134
segmondy wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The price is free for some of us, we can run it at home.

How much did you spend on hardware and electricity to run your free models

I have many rigs, but let's take 1 for example. 160gb. $1000 that's what it cost. 10 16gb MI50 gpus from ebay at $90. $900. Plugged them into an $100 octominer case from Facebook marketplace. I'm sure that doesn't satisfy you, keep coming up with excuses instead of finding ways to make this happen for you. You either find a way to get in and play or you sit on the sideline and moan about those in the field.

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

WithinReason wrote: post #9

Mixed signals, here it's performing below even GPT-5.4 Nano: https://livebench.ai/ while here it outperforms Fable by a significant margin: https://oxalpha.com/ but if the latter is true, will people still say it was "distilled" from Fable?

I've been having oxa and sol do architecture design then compare notes. Sol is definitely still way ahead. But there's reliably some really good wins ideas and concepts that OxA throws out there that Sol is very happy to encorporate.

One thing that I think matters a lot for the non developers, all three of us (sol, oxa, and me) usually agree that oxa's write up is far far better. It explains the situation very well, and has great structure for its write ups. Sol gets the job done, but it's terrible at re-explaining the problem for humans, at laying out information. It also doesn't show it's thinking, so it's imo a terrible peer to work with!

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