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Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

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Post by badatnames »

comandillos wrote: post #244
mmastrac wrote: post #7

Weights on HF here: https://huggingface.co/zai-org/GLM-5.3-Flash I decided to take the plunge and get myself four sparks at a decent price (and bought the QSFP cables from AliExpress because they are literally 1/2 the price of Amazon), even knowing Apple was going to release new hardware and there's probably a spark 2 on the horizon. It looks like this is going to be a decent fit for what I need. I've been experiment…

I am surprised. I've been using DS4 Flash (0731) for weeks now and it works perfectly fine as a replacement for Claude in a large variety of cases. It requires a few more iterations, sure, but it's useful enough to not need a Claude subscription anymore. Among the things I do I've been reverse engineering, writing complex C++ code...

DS4 Flash absolutely kicks ass for reverse engineering and bug hunting. Almost no point in considering paying for a bigger model, although it's possible the stuff I've fed it (wide variety of older DOS/Windows stuff and device firmwares) might be easier targets.

Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

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Post by matheusmoreira »

glub wrote: post #221
matheusmoreira wrote: post #95

You guys read Z.ai's terms of service, right? Broad and perpetual license over inputs and outputs, and even your name and profile picture. Vague prohibitions on whatever may harm Z.ai’s "interests" or even the "national interests" of any country. Vague prohibitions on "disturbing" or "inappropriate" content, whatever that is. Vague prohibitions on discussing Z.ai, even my posting this comment violates it. Can ban you…

> Can ban you if you, in the "sole and absolute opinion" of Z.ai, have violated these broad terms. OpenAI revoked my Cyber verification, along with many others, asked to reverify (i.e. give my biometric information to Persona), had me do it 8 times, just to find out several days later that they silently implemented a nationality whitelist, and my nationality didn't make it (and no, it's not a sanctioned country). The…

> just to find out several days later that they silently implemented a nationality whitelist, and my nationality didn't make it (and no, it's not a sanctioned country)

How did you discover this?

I opened the Persona tab once, closed it and the tab never opened ever again. "Precheck failed".

What countries are banned? I'm from Brazil.

I went as far as initiating an LGPD (brazilian GDPR) process against them due to this. At some point I got it in writing that I'm allowed to make a new account and try again. Until now I was assuming it was just some weird account state. If I'm banned from TAC due to my nationality that's seriously disgusting...

Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

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Post by preommr »

So the vagueposting by googlers about Ox Alpha was just... what exactly?

Like I get that they have to be careful about comms, but surely senior members of the team can clarify when something is NOT them, when everyone is gosspiing it is them.

Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

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Post by twobitshifter »

zuzululu wrote: post #152
zaj00l wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get all that. Then alternatives are: - Grok - where I absolutely have 0 trust in X.ai's interst in "pushing humanity forward". - OpenAI and Anthropic - which seem to try to be building the biggest moat they can by pushing to ban open models. And at the same time want to be an Arbiter of what level of intelligence I can use. - Google and Meta - I don't need to talk about the practices of these companies. Yes, the te…

All the American companies you mentioned still follow American law and regulation. Skirting that blatantly has big consequences. Chinese companies do not follow American laws and there are absolutely no consequences for violating it. Moreover, the average American is not even aware of exactly what the legal/judicial environment is like in China. If your code and data is stolen, you can't fly to China and demand justi…

Is copyright infringement an American Law?

Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

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Post by matheusmoreira »

g3f32r wrote: post #100
matheusmoreira wrote: post #95

You guys read Z.ai's terms of service, right? Broad and perpetual license over inputs and outputs, and even your name and profile picture. Vague prohibitions on whatever may harm Z.ai’s "interests" or even the "national interests" of any country. Vague prohibitions on "disturbing" or "inappropriate" content, whatever that is. Vague prohibitions on discussing Z.ai, even my posting this comment violates it. Can ban you…

Isn't this practically every TOS though? Nearly every TOS I've ever read has a "We can ban you for any reason, or no reason, are under no obligation to disclose any reason." line somewhere in it. HN's for example > We reserve the right, at our sole discretion, to change or modify portions of these Terms of Use at any time. > You acknowledge that Y Combinator may establish general practices and limits concerning use o…

> Isn't this practically every TOS though?

Not even close. Even OpenAI and Anthropic aren't bad enough that they claim literal ownership of your inputs and outputs.

> HN's for example

You're not paying to use HN. Getting banned here has essentially zero consequences.

If Z.ai uses its absolute powers to ban you because you wrote a review about them or something, then you lose actual money. This is especially relevant if you're looking to take advantage of their discounted yearly payment option.

Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

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Post by billiam »

nkozyra wrote: post #195
swiftcoder wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it would likely take years to spend $4000 (plus the real cost of electricity) Since that cluster only yields 20-30 tok/s on that size of model, at least a decade before the hardware breaks-even with current token costs, and that's not counting electricity. Assuming continued downward pressure on token prices, and the cost of electricity, it never pays for itself.

I don't understand how people don't consider this. Plus you're spec'd out of near-SOTA level in months. The only reasons to actually do this are a) you have a lot of dispensable income and are a hobbyist/tinkerer, b) you have real, legitimate privacy concerns or, relatedly, c) you're doing something you don't want to get flagged

"you don't want to get flagged"

Ding!

Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

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Post by comandillos »

badatnames wrote: post #251
comandillos wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am surprised. I've been using DS4 Flash (0731) for weeks now and it works perfectly fine as a replacement for Claude in a large variety of cases. It requires a few more iterations, sure, but it's useful enough to not need a Claude subscription anymore. Among the things I do I've been reverse engineering, writing complex C++ code...

DS4 Flash absolutely kicks ass for reverse engineering and bug hunting. Almost no point in considering paying for a bigger model, although it's possible the stuff I've fed it (wide variety of older DOS/Windows stuff and device firmwares) might be easier targets.

I've been reverse engineering LEON3-FT SPARC v8 BE code, so I wouldn't say it's common :D. When attached to Ghidra through a MCP the things you can do with this are simply crazy.

Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

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Post by disiplus »

Implicated wrote: post #202
disiplus wrote: post #67

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To be fair, there is no 3 turns that I don't have to jump in into what Opus 5 is doing. There is either some regression or my prompting skills are so much worse now. Flash is not perfect and honestly some things depend on how big context do you keep. So I'm keeping like a really short context with my flash, but it works okay, even though it has a tendency to overthink, and yeah, I run it always in max effort mode.

Use Opus 4.8. 5 is absolute garbage. Don't use DS4 Flash in max effort mode. It's just spinning its wheels, in my experience (I have a harness for testing models with 25 real bugs/features/etc from my real projects that I measure outcomes against) DS4 flash does _worse_ with max effort. It will literally have the right approach and reason itself away from it.

i have heard that for max effort in flash and it can be true, but overall it still performs better then the high, i run a mixed q2q4 quant.

Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

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Post by nightski »

nkozyra wrote: post #195
swiftcoder wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it would likely take years to spend $4000 (plus the real cost of electricity) Since that cluster only yields 20-30 tok/s on that size of model, at least a decade before the hardware breaks-even with current token costs, and that's not counting electricity. Assuming continued downward pressure on token prices, and the cost of electricity, it never pays for itself.

I don't understand how people don't consider this. Plus you're spec'd out of near-SOTA level in months. The only reasons to actually do this are a) you have a lot of dispensable income and are a hobbyist/tinkerer, b) you have real, legitimate privacy concerns or, relatedly, c) you're doing something you don't want to get flagged

Not everything is about pure cost. Maybe I don't want to sell my soul supporting the frontier labs because they are straight up pure evil?

Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

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Post by badatnames »

comandillos wrote: post #257
badatnames wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DS4 Flash absolutely kicks ass for reverse engineering and bug hunting. Almost no point in considering paying for a bigger model, although it's possible the stuff I've fed it (wide variety of older DOS/Windows stuff and device firmwares) might be easier targets.

I've been reverse engineering LEON3-FT SPARC v8 BE code, so I wouldn't say it's common :D. When attached to Ghidra through a MCP the things you can do with this are simply crazy.

Curious what MCP setup you use? I'm not sure which one I have wired up, but I have to restart Ghidra every time I change file. I think it's either LaurieWired's original or a fork of it
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