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Post by text0404 »

theultdev wrote: post #36
4MOAisgoodenuf wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is the leader of Antifa? Does a charge and conviction mean that this action is good or morally justified? If so then your issue with the feds designating Juggalos as a hybrid gang would be contradicted. This action follows the administration's established pattern of trying to tie political dissent in the US to unrelated foreign actors (often the Kurdish PKK) so that they can lay the legal footing to prosecute Ame…

That's a silly rubric. Loosely organized groups have cells with leaders, not a single one. That specific Antifa chapter's cell leaders can be found in the link above. The KKK didn't have a single leader either after WWII, it was distributed chapters. So does that mean they weren't a terrorist group anymore? And the Juggalo fans didn't coordinate to go riot / cause violence, not the same as either of those.

The leaders of the Klan are well known: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaders_of_the_Ku_Klux_Klan

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Post by theultdev »

text0404 wrote: post #41
theultdev wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a silly rubric. Loosely organized groups have cells with leaders, not a single one. That specific Antifa chapter's cell leaders can be found in the link above. The KKK didn't have a single leader either after WWII, it was distributed chapters. So does that mean they weren't a terrorist group anymore? And the Juggalo fans didn't coordinate to go riot / cause violence, not the same as either of those.

The leaders of the Klan are well known: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaders_of_the_Ku_Klux_Klan

That doesn't disagree with what I said.

After WWII they were distributed chapters (Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Invisible Empire, Imperial Klans of America, National Knights, etc.)

Those later leaders are only leaders of that chapter/cell, not a single leader.

Distributing your hate does not make you immune is my point.

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Post by water-data-dude »

theultdev wrote: post #19
hexator wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the US government can designate their ideological opponents as terrorists without due process or any real justification, then nobody is safe.

I was against the Feds designating Juggalos as a "loosely-organized hybrid gang". That was ridiculous. But this is not the same. Antifa leaders and cell members have been charged and convicted, getting caught coordinating riots. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-antifa-cell-members-no... And we all saw the "summer of love" in 2020. Personally I want to see more accountability. I know Antifa may be popular here, b…

What are your thoughts on January 6th?

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Post by vablings »

tyrabound wrote: post #18

The far more worrying development is that Tyrant Trump has declared the Palestine Action organization an official terrorist organization, to whatever degree it is an organization at all. Have there actually been threats or acts of violence with political objectives or are we just now calling everything the ruling maniacs don't like a terrorist, as I predicted before the "patriot" act was magically pulled out of a des…

I have been a personal victim to PA's violence and attacks. I could explain more details but essentially, they caused a bunch of damage and assaulted some employees of a workplace simply due to the fact we sold a piece of equipment to our middle eastern distributor that was going to a non-military Israeli company.

The rest of the designations are bullshit

Re: US sanctions Italian hosting provider Autistici Inventati

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Post by 4MOAisgoodenuf »

theultdev wrote: post #36
4MOAisgoodenuf wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is the leader of Antifa? Does a charge and conviction mean that this action is good or morally justified? If so then your issue with the feds designating Juggalos as a hybrid gang would be contradicted. This action follows the administration's established pattern of trying to tie political dissent in the US to unrelated foreign actors (often the Kurdish PKK) so that they can lay the legal footing to prosecute Ame…

That's a silly rubric. Loosely organized groups have cells with leaders, not a single one. That specific Antifa chapter's cell leaders can be found in the link above. The KKK didn't have a single leader either after WWII, it was distributed chapters. So does that mean they weren't a terrorist group anymore? And the Juggalo fans didn't coordinate to go riot / cause violence, not the same as either of those.

How is membership or leadership determined? How is a cell determined in this case?

In the case of the Klan (which you conveniently bracket to only after WW2) it, in fact was an organization with a single "Imperial Wizard" at the helm before being broken up in the 20's. The "distributed chapters" (themselves organizations with membership roles and defined leadership) were only "distributed" after the national organization was dissolved to bow out of a legal battle with the IRS.

There absolutely exist fans of ICP who have coordinated to cause violence, crime, and mayhem. (Though I don't believe that people should be prosecuted or persecuted for enjoying a goofy rap rock band)

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Post by deepfriedchokes »

downrightmike wrote: post #4

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They don’t hate their parents. Their parents defeated fascism but brought some of the war home with them.

Emotional suffering is a memetic disease, an information disease spread by behavior; it makes people sick. The output of one integrated system becomes the input of another, like LLM distillation. Think of a war, or any emotional state, as a packet of information, that spreads like a virus, and infects and modifies the structure of the limbic system, thus transferring the emotional state, the structure of the limbic system, or LLM, from one system to another.

War made the Greatest Generation sick, and because they didn’t get treatment after fighting the sickness of fascism, they brought it home and it made their kids sick. When people are emotionally sick they don’t feel good, and that makes them emotionally inward focused, to the point they don’t have the capacity for much empathy towards others. This makes people appear selfish. It made a whole generation selfish. Because the virus affects the mind, it affects perception of reality and self; people don’t realize they’re sick.

Same thing is happening in Palestine; a group of people who were treated inhumanely are treating another group of people inhumanely. It’s a sickness. An actual sickness.

Re: US sanctions Italian hosting provider Autistici Inventati

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Post by text0404 »

theultdev wrote: post #42
text0404 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The leaders of the Klan are well known: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaders_of_the_Ku_Klux_Klan

That doesn't disagree with what I said. After WWII they were distributed chapters (Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Invisible Empire, Imperial Klans of America, National Knights, etc.) Those later leaders are only leaders of that chapter/cell, not a single leader. Distributing your hate does not make you immune is my point.

> After WWII they were distributed chapters (Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Invisible Empire, Imperial Klans of America, National Knights, etc.)

Right, terrorist groups with organizational structure and national leadership, spawned from the original KKK. We're confused about the national organization which you seem to be referring to, because "anti fascist" is not a group.

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