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Re: Qwen3.8-Flash-Next

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> Three honest possibilities, and I’ll be straight with you about each This. I don't know if the "honest answer" phrasing is part of the system prompt or alignment, but when people say "honestly" all the time I start wondering how honest they're being.

At this point, I'm starting to wonder if their honesty is even load-bearing at all?

You are absolutely right.

Re: Qwen3.8-Flash-Next

#132
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You’re absolutely right to be hopeful. Three honest possibilities, and I’ll be straight with you about each: 1. It overthinks — Just like the previous iteration. High confidence. 2. It doesn’t overthink — Improvement from the last model for your use case. Regression for others. 3. It sometimes overthinks — Best case all around. A feature, not an impairment. One final thing worth mentioning: (I made myself irrationall…

> You’re absolutely right to be hopeful. Three honest possibilities, and I’ll be straight with you about each: > [UGC styled humorously as LLMisms] All joking aside, having interacted with Claude intensely for the last 8 months and about 30 hours/week in the last 3, I’ve started to notice how (for want of a better word) “readable” (“digestible” ? “comprehensible” ? “Predictable” is the wrong direction.) information c…

This is sharp.-

Social media killed our attention span. Now, it is being tokenized.-

Re: Qwen3.8-Flash-Next

#133
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> Qwen3.8-Flash-Next features a 125B-parameter main model, supplemented by an additional 51B N-gram embeddings, with 6B parameters activated per token. Didn’t see this mentioned yet. I wonder what this means for the effective size. It’s evidently ~176B paramètres, but how does that get quantized. A 4-bit quant under 100GB seems unlikely, I’m suspecting this won’t run in 128GB unified memory In principle I like the id…

The N-gram parameters can be fetched from SSD, with maybe the hottest ones staying in memory.

I have this working on a branch of my https://github.com/rdaum/eider (for DGX Spark)

nVME paging the n-gram table (in BF16 for now).

Still working at it. Prefill sucks still but decode is about 12 tok/sec and the model weights fit nicely in the 128GB Spark memory in nvfp4 quant while paging the ngram stuff from disk.

(EDIT: merged to main. 80tok/sec prefill, 12 tok/sec decode, ~80GiB resident, the rest paged)

Re: Qwen3.8-Flash-Next

#134
post #58

> Qwen3.8-Flash-Next features a 125B-parameter main model, supplemented by an additional 51B N-gram embeddings, with 6B parameters activated per token. Didn’t see this mentioned yet. I wonder what this means for the effective size. It’s evidently ~176B paramètres, but how does that get quantized. A 4-bit quant under 100GB seems unlikely, I’m suspecting this won’t run in 128GB unified memory In principle I like the id…

I have nvfp4 quant fitting fine in 128GB on DGX Spark, but with paging (from nVME) of the n-gram table. Resident ~80GiB for weights & context.

On branch of https://github.com/rdaum/eider (for DGX Spark). ~12 tok/sec decode without speculative decoding (will come later)

Still actively working on this. Prefill currently sucks. Will merge to main by end of day.

EDIT: This has now landed on main. Still haven't done MTP speculative decoding boost, but:

80tok/sec prefill, 12 tok/sec decode. ~90GiB or so resident. n-grams paged from disk.

Re: Qwen3.8-Flash-Next

#135
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re absolutely right to be hopeful. Three honest possibilities, and I’ll be straight with you about each: 1. It overthinks — Just like the previous iteration. High confidence. 2. It doesn’t overthink — Improvement from the last model for your use case. Regression for others. 3. It sometimes overthinks — Best case all around. A feature, not an impairment. One final thing worth mentioning: (I made myself irrationall…

> Three honest possibilities, and I’ll be straight with you about each This. I don't know if the "honest answer" phrasing is part of the system prompt or alignment, but when people say "honestly" all the time I start wondering how honest they're being.

Former French president Jacques Chirac was famous for often adding an adverb like "naturely" to his sentences when he was lying.

Re: Qwen3.8-Flash-Next

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Adding to my homelab stack, hopefully it doesn't overthink like the little model. Actually, hoping it thinks a bit less. Wait actually I'm really praying it reasons a bit more directly. But wait, I'm really sure that it must be a bit better.

You might already know this, but a large part of test-time compute / 'overthinking' is just letting the model do more passes, and refine its activation residuals more. For example, even if you make thinking tokens literally just '....' (absolutely meaningless; zero information), you still see significant performance improvements: https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.15758 and https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.22925 for some starters.…

> For example, even if you make thinking tokens literally just

Generally speaking yes, but actually no (just randomness is suboptimal, adding steps just to add steps is suboptimal). There is a mechanism working there (in having a CoT) that is not quite clear.

The task is to optimize the efficiency of CoT. Understanding that it is not a plain "chain of thought" is the start of the problem, the solution is not there yet.

If we had the solution, there would exist no overthinking - CoT would be optimal (lean and essential plus best results).

Re: Qwen3.8-Flash-Next

#137
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I ran some pelicans at the four different reasoning levels (none, low, medium, xhigh - apparently high and xhigh are aliases of each other) on a DGX Spark using Unsloth's unsloth/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GGUF (UD-IQ1_S): https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht... Surprised I didn't get one I liked as much as the Qwen 3.8 27B one https://simonwillison.net/2026/Aug/16/qwen-38-27b/#the-defau... , maybe be…

The spark can easily run UD-Q4_K_XL on this model... using IQ1_S doesn't make much sense.

Re: Qwen3.8-Flash-Next

#138
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Adding to my homelab stack, hopefully it doesn't overthink like the little model. Actually, hoping it thinks a bit less. Wait actually I'm really praying it reasons a bit more directly. But wait, I'm really sure that it must be a bit better.

Yep.. for 'general purpose' use I found qwen3.8:27b to be disappointing due to overthinking. It's brutal especially considering how slow it is compared to MoE variants. It often overthinks to the magnitude of ~10x the tokens vs a ~4x faster gemma4:26b-a3b. As a result, qwen3.8 will churn over a prompt often for 5-10 minutes while gemma4 regularly finishes the same prompt in under 20 seconds, while giving a consistent…

I use medium generally, that's about a minute at 20t/s and off for general chat (few seconds for a response). What kind of setup are you running it on?

Re: Qwen3.8-Flash-Next

#139
post #21

Adding to my homelab stack, hopefully it doesn't overthink like the little model. Actually, hoping it thinks a bit less. Wait actually I'm really praying it reasons a bit more directly. But wait, I'm really sure that it must be a bit better.

Since you're running through the trouble of setting that up, if its 125B params, but only 6B is activated, does that mean you mainly need to allocate enough VRAM for that much of the model? Or do you still need enough VRAM for the whole thing (and buffer for context window)? Or maybe anyone can inform me, this is one area I'm uninformed in.

Re: Qwen3.8-Flash-Next

#140
post #126

I ran some pelicans at the four different reasoning levels (none, low, medium, xhigh - apparently high and xhigh are aliases of each other) on a DGX Spark using Unsloth's unsloth/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GGUF (UD-IQ1_S): https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht... Surprised I didn't get one I liked as much as the Qwen 3.8 27B one https://simonwillison.net/2026/Aug/16/qwen-38-27b/#the-defau... , maybe be…

You should find an excuse to offer 3D printed extruded pelicans from various models as awards for something. I have no idea for what, but the idea captivates and I'd love to win one somehow. They'd be collector's items in a few decades
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