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Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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Post by doctorpangloss »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #262
doctorpangloss wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

when florida banned phones from schools, a gold-standard causation study found a benefit of 0.9 percentiles on standardized tests between students who were under the ban and those who could use phones freely. this is about the same impact as studying for a standardized test for 1 hour. we have had a lot of chances to study this stuff, and the results - like the teen sleep study and the teen wellness studies, both con…

There are of course bigger threats, but have you ever talked to one of these gen Z zombies that have fried their brain on their phone? My nephew is one. He has the thousand yard stare, can barely have a conversation, and has no ability to do anything off his phone. Of course, it's not everyone, but the effects of phone use are beyond obvious and clearly destructive.

personally i reject any frame of mind that makes stubborn, labeled generalizations about kids based on one or a handful of interactions. the people who conduct their business this way: they are always projecting.

Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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Post by BugsJustFindMe »

tiahura wrote: post #193
BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "America defaults to free. That's very unsettling for those that an authoritarian approach." The least insane general position is to always ask "Free for who to do what?" Freedom for you to try cocaine if you want? Ok, let's consider it, but let's have a serious discussion about public health and safety first because there are predictable public consequences to broader society. Freedom for someone to put cocaine in…

The general proposition is that the default for freedom is strongest regarding communication.

"Communication" includes things like fraud that are understood to be inherently harmful to other individuals and also to society at large and for which there are no sane or moral defenses. So, no, there is no default position for "communication" without further qualification.

Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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Post by nrmitchi »

My concern about this isn't about the money. Frankly, no amount would actually satisfy everyone, and even an even-more-comically-large number won't materially impact Facebook (sorry, Meta).

My concerns are:

1. This is an agreed settlement w/ only Meta. This no impact on YouTube, TikTok, etc, and regulators can't point at this and say "Well Meta did it, you have to to!". This isn't a law, it's a handshake[0].

2. Will (or can) this be applicable to adults. If the implementation exists, adults should be able to opt in to it as well. Adults are also subject to addiction and social harms.

3. These restrictions feel like they're about 20 seconds away from being sidestepped by the first teenager that discovers they can make multiple instagram accounts and/or use multiple devices.

[0] This sentence sounds like Claude but I promise I wrote this myself.

Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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Post by matchbok3 »

cyanydeez wrote: post #261
shepardrtc wrote: post #106

Meta has warped society to think that life is meaningless without affirmation. No amount of money can fix that or punish them. I think that sharing things can be wonderful, but monetizing that or adding Like counts to gamify it is very damaging to people. This idea that everyone should know better and take a ideological stand against some dumb app is ridiculous. Life can be hard at times, and these apps manipulated t…

Meta is capitalism. You're talking about capitalism.

Capitalism forces parents to let their kids use their phones and social media all day?

Hm, odd. I didn't know parents didn't have authority or agency. Good to know.

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Post by DANmode »

Barbing wrote: post #32
hugodan wrote: post #16

still feels like they got away easy for raping children's minds "Meta has long argued it could not have misled consumers about whether its services were addictive because "social media addiction" is not a recognized psychiatric condition." that's a nice escape hatch, considering that they are using all the tricks in the book (from online gambling, etc) and then some

>[irreparably damaging] children's minds I’d love for someone to get me into Mark Zuckerberg’s head on why he should keep doing what he’s doing.

He genuinely believes people like you and your children are on a different tier of existence and importance than he and his family are.

It’s that simple.

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Post by DANmode »

Barbing wrote: post #46
bakies wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Money!

Figure his own mental steelmans are legitimately more complex, though. And more faulty.

He may simply believe if you’re not able to identify and keep your kids off of addictive / harmful substances, then you’re getting what you deserve.

It makes the most sense. Especially given the “dumb fucks” quote.

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Post by DANmode »

philipallstar wrote: post #140
hugodan wrote: post #16

still feels like they got away easy for raping children's minds "Meta has long argued it could not have misled consumers about whether its services were addictive because "social media addiction" is not a recognized psychiatric condition." that's a nice escape hatch, considering that they are using all the tricks in the book (from online gambling, etc) and then some

The real trick was convincing parents to buy devices for their kids. That's by far the worst thing he's ever done.

I thought texting and / or AOL Instant Messenger was responsible for that!

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Post by reaperducer »

Barbing wrote: post #32
hugodan wrote: post #16

still feels like they got away easy for raping children's minds "Meta has long argued it could not have misled consumers about whether its services were addictive because "social media addiction" is not a recognized psychiatric condition." that's a nice escape hatch, considering that they are using all the tricks in the book (from online gambling, etc) and then some

>[irreparably damaging] children's minds I’d love for someone to get me into Mark Zuckerberg’s head on why he should keep doing what he’s doing.

I’d love for someone to get me into Mark Zuckerberg’s head on why he should keep doing what he’s doing.

The guy just bought a castle in Ireland.

He's doing it so he can buy another castle, then continue to tell everyone how in-touch he is with the regular person.

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