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Octopus intelligence may be related to never-before-seen mutation

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Re: Octopus intelligence may be related to never-before-seen mutation

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Post by jjk166 »

thelaxiankey wrote: post #167
jjk166 wrote: post #3

Correlation does not imply causation and it's not even clear this qualifies as correlation.

not sure I agree, they reconstituted this mutation in E coli ribosomes, using Fluc as a luminescence readout, and saw a reduction in aggregates at similar luminescence without a reduction in translation speeds. Not really familiar with translation machinery or luciferase, but it seems pretty compelling to me.

I'm talking about the intelligence claim. There is nothing surprising about a gene having a molecular effect.

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

47635274172635 wrote: post #151
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it's a cow, so not the same as us. I mean, presumably.

If the cow doesn't have the same living experience as we do, to some extent, then you have no argument for not farming them, since it doesn't matter, because "there's nobody in there" as it were. You need to make up your mind.

I'm sorry, make up my mind about what? I think you have me confused with someone else?

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

aziaziazi wrote: post #128
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #120

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Your links go to pet food shops online that sell vegan food. How is that "veterinary recommendation"? Giving vegan food to cats is animal abuse. If you can't stand the idea of feeding other animals to a cat, don't keep a cat as a pet. Dogs can handle plant-based (but not vegan) diets much better. There are many other animals you could keep as a pet, also. E.g. goats are vegetarian and they have strong, interesting an…

> veterinary recommendation Wrong wording, I updated it to "My veterinary recommendation". > animal abuse What makes you think so? Those kibbles allow happy and healthy cats while avoiding animal abuse to produce the non-vegetal kibbles. It sounds you can't stand the idea a cat thrive equally with mouses, beef/pork/tuna leftovers (+supplements) or soy/algae (+supplements), but you only provide recommendations without…

"It sounds you can't stand the idea..."

So, are you a vet or are you a psychologist? I'm confused.

Re: Octopus intelligence may be related to never-before-seen mutation

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Post by 47635274172635 »

analog31 wrote: post #178
47635274172635 wrote: post #153

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I know what existing is like, and I like it. Cows seem to like it when they sit in the grass looking at a sunset. Beats nothing.

Do cows experience non-existence the way that non-existent humans do, or more like non-existent rocks, or something in between?

You cannot experience non-existence. I don't even think you understand what you mean by non-existence the way you used it in that phrase. At most you can use it as contrast to existence, which can be enjoyable or not. If your existence is the least bit enjoyable it beats not existing. at least for me, and plenty others if you ask them.

We also know not existing is desired by others with worse lived experience. Which they think that whatever it even is, not existing, must be better than their lived experience. It's basically a way to stop existing, moving into non-existence. So we can only discuss about existing.

If you have any ideas about non-existence that's cute and interesting and you should maybe write a book about it or something.

>experience of non-existing rocks.

This is not really a philosophical argument as it is misuse of logic and words. I'll let you figure out why.

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Post by samudrijan »

47635274172635 wrote: post #157
samudrijan wrote: post #81

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Verfiably false statement that you need meat to do physical labor. Lazy statement that “sourcing” a vegetarian meal is difficult. Eating less meat is better for your health and better for the planet. The few exceptions I think worth noting are if you were born into and continue to live in largely/culturally hunter culture (Inuit, bushmen) or where you live is not sustainable for agriculture (Tibet.) Most folks could…

>Verfiably false statement that you need meat to do physical labor. I don't think a lot of people like you understand the real state of things, how a lot of stuff gets done, costs and what's needed for it. One is the quick maffs you do in your head and it's a different thing how real people in real situations behave at scale. You cannot shame billions of people into not eating meat, they'll just come for you and anyo…

That’s a lot of words to say you’re triggered.
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