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Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

#101
post #8

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Is that cheaper than DS4 flash?

Slightly more expensive than the (post-price hike) DS4 flash pricing, but in the ballpark. https://openrouter.ai/compare/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash-073...

Hm. GLM is more expensive in all dimensions than DS but it has a lower weighted average input? How is that?? Something seems off.

EDIT: Looks like they are swizzling around the pricing dynamically on that page, on both the GLM and the DS sides, so who knows.

Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

#102
Is the actual Z.AI ecosystem good enough to replace the main drivers like Codex and Claude? Because it looks like Z Code is just a Codex fork. Just like the Kimi Code one is.

What irks me about this is that the harnesses seem to be just an afterthought here.

Don't get me wrong, I love messing around with installing Pi, getting it hooked up with OpenRouter, and just trying all kinds of different stuff, local models, etc... but when it comes to literally just setting up a productivity environment and trusting my entire machine with it, I just run Codex.

I have heard from anecdotes where people have indeed replaced their main drivers with DeepSek V4 Flash or GLM and state that "it's almost as good as... [claude/gpt]" but I never hear anyone say "yeah, this is the model/harness that I now run on my machine and don't mess with it"

Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

#103
post #5

> with all of this traffic served on Chinese AI chips RIP Nivida shareholders

God I wish I could’ve shorted NVIDIA right now

Whats stopping you? You could buy puts right now.

Get a 210 strike put contract and if your thesis is that nvidias current 10 day slide continues you could make some money.

Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

#104
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The web page says 5.3 flash is discounted right now.

Seems disingenuous to draw frontier graphs with starter pricing.

Well, Luna debuted with 5x higher pricing than is currently available. With the pace of recent development these models might not be relevant by Thanksgiving.

Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see a situation where subscription payers move outside American LLMs (chatgpt, claude, gemini) And I don't see a situation where serious API payers are OK with handing the Chinese state all their data. Like manufactures of decades past did and learned a hard, even existential, lesson for it. The state mantra has been "Collect and Copy" for a long time now, tech just hasn't had that moment to experience it yet…

Genuine question but who do you put as the "three" in big three. Because I genuinely can't tell if you mean Google or SpaceX/X.ai lol.

Google probably serves more tokens then OAI and Anthropic combined, even if many of those tokens aren't from explicit gemini requests, but from AI overviews and other service integrations.

xAI is already selling spare compute, and basically exists just to gas spacex's perceived valuation.

Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

#106
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post #16

> it outperforms GLM-5.2 across benchmarks and real-world workloads at one-tenth the price, while approaching Claude Opus 4.8 on coding and agentic benchmarks. From a biased source, but would be big if true. I've had great results with GLM 5.2. From their subscription page, the smallest plan gives you about 97M tokens weekly for 5.3 but 292M for 5.3 Flash. Not exactly 10x the limit.

The recent and slightly smaller DSv4 Flash is also GLM 5.2 equivalent (or close enough)

DSv4 hallucinates much more than GLM-5.2 though.

Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

#107
I didn't accept a single edit from this model over the entire week, just saying. I do not understand how it's being benchmarked on par with Sol and other larger models.

Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

#108
post #7

Weights on HF here: https://huggingface.co/zai-org/GLM-5.3-Flash I decided to take the plunge and get myself four sparks at a decent price (and bought the QSFP cables from AliExpress because they are literally 1/2 the price of Amazon), even knowing Apple was going to release new hardware and there's probably a spark 2 on the horizon. It looks like this is going to be a decent fit for what I need. I've been experiment…

> I would love to see an Opus-4.8-level local model but TBH I just haven't got there yet. The models I've tried so far _are_ good but they aren't able to solve tough technical challenges, regardless of harness/prompting/etc. Agree. It doesn’t even have to be local, using models in this size class through OpenRouter will reveal their limits if you work side by side with Opus level models regularly. There are a lot of…

I have exactly the same opinion

Over the last couple years I’ve had to learn sales and understand the thought process behind this better, and I think I’m beginning to understand it

The psychology is that most people aren’t really trying to optimize for productivity (even most people who think they are) on an ROI basis, because their compensation is too decoupled from their actual raw output, and more closely coupled to how differentiated their marginal contribution is to peers. They’re much more incentivized to spend their personal/work time optimizing for being more skilled or acquiring some kind of competitive advantage relative to baseline.

Most people don’t consciously run the numbers of “I get paid $X/hr to add $Y of value” or model pay at work as something with variable inputs (eg something that can be increased with high performance), so it makes sense to them to spend 20 hours of time to save $100 or to make themselves 5% less efficient to take home 0.5% more or avoid doing something they don’t want to start doing.

NOT saying this always happens or that they’re stupid for doing so. I didn’t even realize how much I had been doing it myself until I started recognizing it, and shifted to having my own comp/performance fully aligned with the company’s P/L.

It actually makes a lot of sense IF you can accurately estimate incremental upside (which is much harder and more diffuse than modeling downside if you’re salaried a employee) or if the upfront skill/knowledge investment that looks like bikeshedding pays off in the long run.

Re: GLM-5.3-Flash

#109

You guys read Z.ai's terms of service, right? Broad and perpetual license over inputs and outputs, and even your name and profile picture. Vague prohibitions on whatever may harm Z.ai’s "interests" or even the "national interests" of any country. Vague prohibitions on "disturbing" or "inappropriate" content, whatever that is. Vague prohibitions on discussing Z.ai, even my posting this comment violates it. Can ban you…

I get all that.

Then alternatives are:

- Grok - where I absolutely have 0 trust in X.ai's interst in "pushing humanity forward".

- OpenAI and Anthropic - which seem to try to be building the biggest moat they can by pushing to ban open models. And at the same time want to be an Arbiter of what level of intelligence I can use.

- Google and Meta - I don't need to talk about the practices of these companies.

Yes, the terms of service aren't great. But the alternatives aren't great either. I don't believe that a future which OpenAI and Anthropic are pushing for has my best interest in mind.

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