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Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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They are a very, very, very significant contributor.

Who is paying for their internet access?

I think some blame lies with whoever was paying for Facebook's internet access, and encouraged them to foist more of a predatory approach and cast a wider net than would have been possible otherwise.

There have always been so many people having higher integrity to choose from for those possessing better judgment of character.

Edit: not my downvote btw

Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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I think worse than social media nowadays is youtube shorts. That thing is so addictive to kids. I wish there was a way to delete shorts from youtube and have only long form videos available in the app.

Absolutely! I had to sign out from YouTube on mobile (I was only using YouTube via browser anyway, not the app) to reduce the time I spent watching them. After signing out the shorts are so random I lost the interest in them.

Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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1% of their market cap. I don't think we'll see someone with a net worth of $100,000 paying only a $1000 fine for harming children.

Market cap isn't real money

Then they may as well pay out 10% of the stock.

Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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Market cap is generally the wrong measure. If you registered asf1254 Inc., and it was always just you, and it traded like Meta stocks trade, then "asf1254 Inc." would have a market cap ~6.2× whatever you're currently earning. i.e., if you earn $100k/year, you'd be "worth" $620k, and 1% of that would be a fine of $6200.

You may earn 100k/y and have 10M real estate + 2M in bank. Why would you dumb down market cap to earnings? Anyway, 6K for harming children at that scale remains ridiculous.

> Why would you dumb down market cap to earnings?

The point is "Market cap is BS".

> Anyway, 6K for harming children at that scale remains ridiculous.

One person managing to harm children at this scale would likely get a penalty much smaller than $16 bn.

Of course even "20-life" is a penalty much smaller than $16 bn, given the average American's lifetime earnings are around the $3m level, i.e. it would take 5000 mean lifetimes to repay the actual fine in the headline.

It's nonsensical to scale down a %-of-wealth fee to one person without also considering that the offence would likely be smaller, and also as an independent consideration how difficult it would be for one person to commit the acts.

Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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Are you saying that because laws exist, and it’s illegal to break the law while using your phone, that is therefore justification for making it illegal to scroll on social media for longer than an hour each day?

I didn't make that argument. I responded to the statement: > You think the state should restrict what adults do on their phones? The state already does that.

You know what point I was making, why are you being pedantic? What are you bringing to this conversation?

Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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So if I write a book that your kid just can't stop reading it over and over again because I deliberately made it compulsively re-readable, and then your kid develops some kind of issues because my book is so interesting to him, you can sue me and win? I don't like that idea. Personally, I value free speech more than some supposed "harms" done to children by content. Content that they can easily stop consuming by just…

I don't think this has to do with free speech. If companies can deliberately harm kids, they should be regulated.

This isn't regulation. If it was regulation, Meta could just read the regulation and comply and they'd be in the clear. This is the judicial branch making up and enforcing regulations that don't exist based on their own personal opinions about what causes "harm". No way to know what you need to do to comply until after you're already getting sued.

Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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So if I write a book that your kid just can't stop reading it over and over again because I deliberately made it compulsively re-readable, and then your kid develops some kind of issues because my book is so interesting to him, you can sue me and win? I don't like that idea. Personally, I value free speech more than some supposed "harms" done to children by content. Content that they can easily stop consuming by just…

Agreed, this is just setting the stage for requiring age verification (and surveillance) under the pretense of "saving the children".

If you can get sued for $16B for not having age verification then it's already required.

Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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Meta has warped society to think that life is meaningless without affirmation. No amount of money can fix that or punish them. I think that sharing things can be wonderful, but monetizing that or adding Like counts to gamify it is very damaging to people. This idea that everyone should know better and take a ideological stand against some dumb app is ridiculous. Life can be hard at times, and these apps manipulated t…

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