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Re: AWS Acquires DuckLabs

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I'm glad that DuckDB has a foundation in place and hope it is resilient enough to push the DB forward when the time comes. Out of all the big orgs, Amazon is probably the one that has the least regard for keeping technically interesting projects alive, and the certainly will bulldoze it for some dumb reason when the next re-org comes.

who currently has the most regard for keeping technically interesting projects alive?

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Re: AWS Acquires DuckLabs

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Very much doubt it’s generational wealth. I’m not sure how much people think open source companies are worth, but the path to VC-scale profitability is incredibly rare. My guess is that Amazon wants official hosted versions and doesn’t want to go through something like the Redis fiasco with licensing. In that case, they ended up having to support their own development anyway (with Valkey), so they might as well just…

How much do you really need for generational wealth? In my opinion, if you're more than 10 years away from retirement and received a surprise $1 million, you're setup for the rest of your life and your children as well assuming they don't immediately blow it all when you die (that's what a good trust should be for). Assuming historical returns, your money doubles roughly every 7 years, so within the rest of your life…

> How much do you really need for generational wealth?

Common definition is somewhere between 1.5 to 5 million per child.

Re: AWS Acquires DuckLabs

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Google has such a much better reputation when it comes to contributing to and understanding open source. It’s unfair to Google to put Amazon above them. Heck AWS is the sole reason all these projects needed to go through these license changes to prevent AWS from completely destroying their business models.

What business model do MIT licensed projects even have? If you want to offer support contracts and actually make people use them, don't use MIT. You can't have you cake (accepting public contributions and free labor) and eat it (sole profiteering) too.

RMS addressed the business model from the very beginning: it's services and consulting. He practiced what he preached.

You might think that's got a very low ceiling. But, even though it's a bad example in many ways, OpenAI showed that the ceiling is very high. And if you're morally flexible even higher.

Re: AWS Acquires DuckLabs

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Seems like a good time to recommend Apache Datafusion. It's designed to be a library, but works pretty well standalone as well. There's a CLI version, but also Python and Java bindings, as well as a Rust library, of course. From my own experience I can say it integrates far better into your Rust app than DuckDB does. Well over 100 monthly contributors, too.

Is Datafusion related to Polars at all? I ask because you mentioned Rust integration.

No, it's a competing ecosystem, even though both are built on Apache Arrow, and their dataframe APIs might look similar on the surface.

DataFusion is being used as a building block for a growing number of databases and data processing engines in Rust, as it offers the necessary primitives.

Re: AWS Acquires DuckLabs

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Sure, but that's not generational wealth.

We must be operating on different definitions. Generational wealth means you have enough money to meaningfully improve the lives of your kids and give them a leg-up on life. A million dollars is enough to buy a house for each of your 2.5 kids. If getting a million dollars wouldn't affect how much money you can leave your kids, you already have generational wealth.

Generational wealth generally is used to mean something like you and at least your children can live very comfortably off of investment income for the rest of your lives, I.e. none of you have to work for a living. That’s why sibling’s def of 1.5-5m per child is much closer to the commonly understood meaning.

We can debate “live comfortably” if you want, but no 4.5 people are doing that from the investment proceeds of 1m.

What you are describing is kind of more like social mobility.

Re: AWS Acquires DuckLabs

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Devs gotta eat. Yeah the code is out there but the code is a result of a lot of thinking, prioritization, research into what is needed from the actual product. So now AWS owns that mindshare and talent and will (probably heavily) influence its decisions. I just hope DuckDB doesn't stray from its goal of being the SQLite (e.g. embedded) OLAP.

When will folks finally learn that if they like having a salary, devs that produce tools actually would like to have one as well?

Never. When it comes to me I am just a poor hustler, surviving a s/w job to make ends meet. When it comes to open source I am gonna hold those guys to highest standard, code, github behavior, tweets, everything must live up to best human ideals.

So give your tools, your life, free bug fixing, priority attention to me because I am getting my paid job done. Why they need money anyway, they can leave on reputation of OSS contributors. Also not to forget I donated 5 dollars last year so now give me full certified audit of your finances of last 5 years.

Re: AWS Acquires DuckLabs

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Took a bit of searching around to find the repo: https://github.com/Query-farm-haybarn/haybarn-community-exte... Looks like this is the failed build https://github.com/Query-farm-haybarn/haybarn-community-exte... but logs have expired

I'll kick it off again for you.

Looks like flaky GitHub this time: https://github.com/Query-farm-haybarn/haybarn-community-exte...

Re: AWS Acquires DuckLabs

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Google has such a much better reputation when it comes to contributing to and understanding open source. It’s unfair to Google to put Amazon above them. Heck AWS is the sole reason all these projects needed to go through these license changes to prevent AWS from completely destroying their business models.

What business model do MIT licensed projects even have? If you want to offer support contracts and actually make people use them, don't use MIT. You can't have you cake (accepting public contributions and free labor) and eat it (sole profiteering) too.

Red Hat grew on GPL licensed projects to become a $34 billion business. Canonical does the same except it’s Ubuntu not RHEL and charges more than Red Hat.

You really underestimate the value of support contracts.

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