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Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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Needs a 0 added, $160B feels fair. Mesothelioma was $35B in 90s money, so about 3x that today. Companies keep getting away with this "cost of doing business" fines, the justice department keeps failing at its duties. The fines either need to wipe out these companies to the point the share holders hold the leadership accountable or nothing will change.

The difference is asbestos clearly and directly caused harm, the social media addiction stuff stand on pretty dubious science to say the least.

Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

#182

I think worse than social media nowadays is youtube shorts. That thing is so addictive to kids. I wish there was a way to delete shorts from youtube and have only long form videos available in the app.

I use brave browser on iOS which has a feature to block YouTube shorts. It’s clearly a cat and mouse as YouTube keeps changing the selector but works 95% of the time

Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

#183

Meta has warped society to think that life is meaningless without affirmation. No amount of money can fix that or punish them. I think that sharing things can be wonderful, but monetizing that or adding Like counts to gamify it is very damaging to people. This idea that everyone should know better and take a ideological stand against some dumb app is ridiculous. Life can be hard at times, and these apps manipulated t…

>Meta has warped society to think that life is meaningless without affirmation. No, Meta just amplified it to the nth degree. Humanity has always put an outsized emphases on such affirmation, whether it's reputation, status, belonging, approval, prestige, attractiveness, respectability, yadda yadda yadda. Consumer culture and mass media were already firmly entrenched and doing a damn good job of turning those into vi…

I'd put it differently. The affirmation we were accustomed to generally had some substance. If someone called, sent you a postcard, or met with you, it probably meant they cared at least to some extent.

Social media strips all that away to the point where affirmation costs no effort to give but also means nothing. Here's a test I like to recommend: don't post anything on HN, X, or Facebook for a month. See how many people notice or reach out and ask if you're OK. The most likely answer is zero. Hundreds or thousands of "friends", zero meaningful return.

This also makes us feel that we constantly need to work for these affirmations. If you don't post, no one likes you. This is not a Facebook problem, but Facebook built its business around it, so they deserve to be singled out.

Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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post #174

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Are we going to pretend that internet did not expose inappropriate content to children prior to Facebook?

who is pretending this? the two scenarios below are not the same. surely you see this, right? scenario 1: some interesting chemicals exist in a warehouse in the middle of a cornfield in iowa. scenario 2: a person picks up some interesting chemicals from a warehouse in the middle of a cornfield in iowa, compiles some of them into highly addictive packaging, brings them to a child’s room in phoenix, pokes the kid to tr…

> who is pretending this?

The comment I’m replying to:

> still feels like they got away easy for raping children's minds

Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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>Meta will impose daily usage limits and restrict nighttime usage by children who use Facebook and Instagram, and enhance measures to prevent children from accessing age-restricted content. Even if we assume children don't find a way around this, they will simply switch to a different social media app after their two hours are up, or switch to an app that doesn't have the two hour limit at all. This is clearly a rule…

I could see unregulated platforms blowing up, which would directly expose minors to far worse.

Like imagine if they all flock to 4chan, or similar.

Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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Agreed. I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that ad-hoc legal action and regulations are just stop gap measures in a losing battle, and that any remedy needs to be more foundational. For example: mandate that every job description in any private corporation include a list of ethics responsibilities, and that employees may challenge management directives that in their view breach those responsibilities, and if m…

Not to sound too cynical but it's extremely hard to imagine that ever passing into law in the places which need it most.

Democracy was also extremely hard to imagine and considered impractical (even in the face of ancient Greek evidence) a few hundred years ago. And then it became the norm.

Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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Two hours is one hour too long if you ask me. This should be implemented also for adults. And non-avoidable.

You think the state should restrict what adults do on their phones?

The state already restricts what adults do on their phones. You can't buy drugs or look at CSAM. You can't use your phone while driving or operating dangerous machinery. You can't install apps which facilitate piracy. You can't wipe your phone when the state lawfully requests it from you. The list goes on.

Re: Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

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post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that ad-hoc legal action and regulations are just stop gap measures in a losing battle, and that any remedy needs to be more foundational. For example: mandate that every job description in any private corporation include a list of ethics responsibilities, and that employees may challenge management directives that in their view breach those responsibilities, and if m…

Laws don’t stop people from doing what they want to do. It is incredibly naive to believe so

That is precisely what laws do by definition and have done in practice, from the Code of Hammurabi to this day.
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