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Post by bgro »

ehnto wrote: post #565
afavour wrote: post #316

A real shame. Even if you put all the political arguments aside it sucks when a site requires you to log in before you can read content on it. For me that’ll mean I just don’t read content on there any more. Which I realise X doesn’t care about, I’m not monetisable anyway. But a shame nonetheless.

Both Imgur and Reddit have put a lot of roadblocks up lately as well. I think some of it is driven by trying to reduce bot traffic. It's quite inconsistent though which is really frustrating. I can look at the imgur homepage feed, but if I go into a specific post and accidentally click anywhere it throws a modal up that can't be dismissed. If I go on a specific subreddit or post I can freely look, but reddit homepage…

Bots are the noisy excuse they can scream and point to. You look at the mobile reddit app or the new reddit interface and you think these javascript “devs” are capable of forming any valid opinion on these things?

This is the company that refers to its users as “daily active shitheads.” That’s a real quote.

They’re just screaming and pointing to anything they can so they can lock it down and gain more favorable data to sell and more legitimate accounts to show advertisers. That’s what it always is.

I’m never wrong and I’m tired of fake imposters devs telling me I am wrong at every corner of every single topic when I turn out to be right 100% of the time.

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Post by 21asdffdsa12 »

delegate wrote: post #702

Why have we let X (et al) have total control over the content posted by the users ? Why do the users agree to the limits imposed by them and let the platform decide who gets to see the content they posted ? Because they're offering the infrastructure. The tech for such a network is now within reach of many, but these apps are heavily dominated by network effects and that makes it impossible for competing apps to take…

Finally some variety by those who want to take over via social control-cults. It used to be all about protecting the children.

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Post by alightsoul »

threetonesun wrote: post #716
vaylian wrote: post #709

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> are all posting their updates on X - because, like the users, they have no choice, because no alternative exists. The fediverse is a viable alternative. But most non-tech people don't know about it.

Did websites and RSS stop working and I missed it? With more people doing AI searches a website is even more viable now, it's better for AI scraping than x.com.

Yes, the average user has either never used a website, or migrated to social media.

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Post by scientifik »

alightsoul wrote: post #795
ghastmaster wrote: post #760

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Firefighters who deal with forest fires, police, governments, rescue services (here in Spain) are all posting their updates on X - because, like the users, they have no choice, because no alternative exists. RSS. Website. Both have been around for a long time. We don't need to reinvent the wheel.

No one spends their time on websites.

And yet here we are

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Post by hamdingers »

arrowsmith wrote: post #734
delegate wrote: post #702

Why have we let X (et al) have total control over the content posted by the users ? Why do the users agree to the limits imposed by them and let the platform decide who gets to see the content they posted ? Because they're offering the infrastructure. The tech for such a network is now within reach of many, but these apps are heavily dominated by network effects and that makes it impossible for competing apps to take…

Whatever happened to "Twitter can do what it wants, it's a private platform"?

Have you heard of the Goomba fallacy?

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Post by alightsoul »

khalic wrote: post #713
the_interloper wrote: post #710

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that is what bsky and other twitter-like platforms purport to be how well they hold up under stress of bad actors/govts remains to be seen

no i mean a replacement for nitter and xcancel there's still a lot of info you can only find on twitter

Repost it on the fediverse

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Post by alightsoul »

CM30 wrote: post #732
lousken wrote: post #685

who cares about c&d? just host it outside of us

I've always found it baffling that more projects by folks that disagree with copyright, access controls, etc aren't hosted in places where the cease and desist won't work. It's like, you're doing something to annoy a large company with lots of legal resources, and you host everything in the US? Why?

Because the US is the center of the tech world. The default AWS region is in the us. All large tech companies are in the us. If you use any cloud provider the default and cheapest region is in the us and so on. Everything tech is in English and the largest English speaking country is the us.

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Post by [deleted] »

echelon wrote: post #720
vaylian wrote: post #709

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> are all posting their updates on X - because, like the users, they have no choice, because no alternative exists. The fediverse is a viable alternative. But most non-tech people don't know about it.

> The fediverse is a viable alternative Bluesky attracted socialist progressives, furries, and kink-positive folks early on. I'm not making any value statements, and there's nothing wrong with the userbase, but this is what dominates the feed for new users. A lot of people are turned off by that when they see it as their first experience with the platform. Or they're actively turned away upon interaction. That's not…

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Post by sarthaksingh99 »

mrngld wrote: post #682
rootsu wrote: post #589

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>America is a hostile nation, who has sought to align everyone with its interests, under a false pretense of mutual benefit, while instead its tech sector has caused much harm at a global scale. America is now doubling down on value extraction, at an obvious expense to everyone else. In India, recently, a bill was passed that can permit banks and the government to add charges on UPI transactions. UPI is one of the bi…

Sounds bogus, there's free payment services in the US as well, that's nothing special. What makes more sense in the India context is low value of volume per customer where even the minimal operating costs are difficult to cover. I say that from some amount of experience in the micro-finance world, where even money provided at zero actual interest in terms of the loaned money itself still ended up having to have somew…

I do not know a single free payment service in the US outside Zelle and that is not really comparable to India's UPI.

Are you saying that there are services in the US that I can use to accept payments as easily as a credit card with no fees on me as a merchant?

UPI costs about $500 million per year to the Indian government while having a transaction volume of $3.4 trillion per year. That is I am not going to claim there is no subsidization to the cost to the government by the banks as they get to keep control over the flow of money and that might change in the future but for now the costs to the government vs benefit to the Indian economy is fairly clear to me.

Just the 18% GST returns on the 2.5% extra the merchants would receive when a user pays with UPI over VISA would more than make up for the cost to the government. Not to mention all the cash income that was impossible to track before is now tracked under UPI.

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

xnorswap wrote: post #717
delegate wrote: post #702

Why have we let X (et al) have total control over the content posted by the users ? Why do the users agree to the limits imposed by them and let the platform decide who gets to see the content they posted ? Because they're offering the infrastructure. The tech for such a network is now within reach of many, but these apps are heavily dominated by network effects and that makes it impossible for competing apps to take…

Because open protocols were abandoned, because they generally lacked security, discoverability, and perhaps most significantly of all, moderation. Even FINGER had .plan files, where you could get status updates from people. But how are you going to query whose plans you want to read, and who is going to moderate without centralisation? It's the moderation in particular that dooms most federalised efforts. The web its…

"Because open protocols were abandoned, because they generally lacked security, discoverability, and perhaps most significantly of all, moderation."

Does centralization actually result in moderation

How do we define "moderation" (cf. "curation", e.g., filtering out anything that does not draw sufficiently large audiences for advertising)

Is optimizing information retrieval for data collection, surveillance and advertising "moderation"

Section 230 was supposed to promote moderation

It did not

Instead it allowed a select few websites to grow to sizes where moderation is impractical and, ultimately, bad for "business"

Their "business" is data collection, surveillance and advertising services, not information services. Section 230 did not anticipate this "business model"

They don't work for internet users. They work for advertisers

Having used the internet prior to their existence I am not convinced that the internet is useless without them

Anyone who has made a fortune catering to internet advertisers will of course disagree

That's fine but we have to account for bias

Given what has happened to "search" perhaps more internet users will come to understand that "discoverability" is not a "solved problem" when the "solution" is a middleman that works for advertisers not end users, an easy target for governments that wish to work around limits on their ability to legally conduct data collection and surveillance

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