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Bill Gates: The turbulent AI era is here

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Re: Bill Gates: The turbulent AI era is here

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Post by protimewaster »

Razengan wrote: post #3
jqpabc123 wrote: post #2

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If "thinning down the population" was the intent, shouldn't the US reverse their anti-abortion bullshit laws? They'll probably still need a steady supply of meat-based consumers

> If "thinning down the population" was the intent, shouldn't the US reverse their anti-abortion bullshit laws?

There can be more than one motivation, of course.

Also, it's very possible that outlawing abortion can result in a decreased birth rate. E.g., if a woman is scared that she'll have a problematic pregnancy, she may decide to just not have a child instead of risking needing and not being able to get an emergency abortion.

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Post by swed420 »

> Instead, solutions should be developed through a public democratic process that includes elected officials, policymakers, educators, health workers, local officials, and community leaders. Millions of people will have their lives disrupted, and we’ll need a stronger, more flexible social safety net to help them manage the transition. Local communities are already raising concerns about the energy and water needed for data centers. Without solutions, some groups will push for stopping AI development and deployment altogether.

Sounds great, except it ignores the fact that capital interests have controlled the levers of our faux democracies for decades, with no end in sight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniparty

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Post by dostick »

> We have to think now about how to reduce job losses so that everyone can share in the prosperity that AI creates.

And I thought he is a smart man. This is so last century thinking. We need to prepare that there will definitely be no jobs for everyone and that will be falling all the time, it’s not a one-time event you should “prepare for”. There’s nothing to prepare, we already have funds and productivity to feed and shelter everyone. UBI is not a privilege, previous generations were slaving 9 to 5 all their lives so we can have it. This is it, arrived, and now, enter a few decades of historical period when all of us waiting for government bureaucrats to realise that UBI is a right.

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Post by simianwords »

It’s a good thoughtful piece. If I may suggest, the main problem and I mean the actual main problem are those people who underestimate the capabilities of AI. The ones who think it hallucinates all the time, unreliable and mostly useless.

The average person thinks this technology is overhyped (like Emily Bender) so how would one even begin to have a conversation with them on the risks?

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Post by actionfromafar »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #7
jqpabc123 wrote: post #2

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The anti vaccination movement was strong before AI. I would correlate it more with rise of social networks than AI. It'd be interesting if there was a data based graph but I wonder what the source data would look like - antivax is externally imposed label, most people in the community will describe themselves as vaccine skeptical or hesitant, for a while they even used the term woke (entirely different meaning than C…

Social networks are/were like a self-learning system optimizing for "engagement" i.e. rage.

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Post by 21asdffdsa12 »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #7
jqpabc123 wrote: post #2

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The anti vaccination movement was strong before AI. I would correlate it more with rise of social networks than AI. It'd be interesting if there was a data based graph but I wonder what the source data would look like - antivax is externally imposed label, most people in the community will describe themselves as vaccine skeptical or hesitant, for a while they even used the term woke (entirely different meaning than C…

I don't think depopulation happens due to vaccinations, but due to "toxic" stories- if you load a toxic story into your head, you will wither and die, while declaring it the fulfillment of your lifes dream, to be alone and bubble-wrapped away. Often while also agonizing about "evil" opposition stealing your opportunities - while your story does not even allow you to recognize, participate, engage and drive forward opportunities.

Bad stories usually come with some sort of self-repair- endless blame to put on some other group, class or person, to repair the story crippled persons ego.

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Post by asdf88990 »

debo_ wrote: post #10

> I believe we should tax AI tokens and robots. Right now, if you’re an employer and you hire someone, you pay payroll taxes on their earnings. But if you buy a robot, you can usually write it off right away as a business expense. The tax system nudges you toward replacing people with machines.

Taxing AI tokens and Robots is not going to work. We can’t even define a robot, tokens are also too abstract and there is endless ways of gaming it, and let’s not forget cross border operations.

Tax profits, it was always the most equitable option.

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Post by debo_ »

dostick wrote: post #13

> We have to think now about how to reduce job losses so that everyone can share in the prosperity that AI creates. And I thought he is a smart man. This is so last century thinking. We need to prepare that there will definitely be no jobs for everyone and that will be falling all the time, it’s not a one-time event you should “prepare for”. There’s nothing to prepare, we already have funds and productivity to feed a…

I support UBI and wealth taxes, but I also think generally that will be a difficult transition in terms of social upheaval. There are so many people I know who are financially well-off but completely fall apart when there is no visible professional hierarchy to give them meaning.

One would hope that this would still go down better than destituting large percentages of the world population, but I wonder.

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