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The TSA's True Focus Isn't Safety - It's Self-Preservation

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Re: The TSA's True Focus Isn't Safety - It's Self-Preservation

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post #31

Welcome to America's permanent big government state. This is a prime example of excessive government bureaucracy, and it demonstrates how inefficient and wasteful many of these govt. programs are but exist anyway to keep politicians happy. The only reason TSA is getting called out for its unnecessary bloat is because the public despises what they do.

The size of the federal bureaucracy has hovered around 2m +/- 10% for the last 50 years, even as the U.S. population has increased by over 70%.

Re: The TSA's True Focus Isn't Safety - It's Self-Preservation

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Why do people accept this reality when talking about the TSA, but not other government agencies? All government agencies are like this, especially the Federal ones.

That's not actually true, but don't let reality get in the way of your little rant.

Re: The TSA's True Focus Isn't Safety - It's Self-Preservation

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post #48

So they think patting down 5-year-old girls and 90-year-old grandmas and grabbing my testicles each time I have to fly - not actually making the country more secure? Banning cupcakes and handbags with gun-shaped emboidery is actually not protecting us from terrorists? I can't believe it...

Where can I sign up for free testicle grabs? This is not the TSA I know.

It's not free, it costs over 8 billion a year. In my tax bracket, that's about $180 a year for me. Of course, for more affluent folks it's more, reaching into thousands for highest income levels.

As for the questions where you can sign up - I'm sure there are fine establishments around which for a modest sum of money can fulfill some of your fantasies. I can't help you with that though, as my expertise with such matters is limited to rumors and hearsay.

Re: The TSA's True Focus Isn't Safety - It's Self-Preservation

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post #96

The TSA is good for a variety of business interests. One specific example is the manufacturers of back-scatter X-Ray machines. They're hideously expensive and pure security theater but, in large part thanks to the TSA, they're in most U.S. airports now. How would you like to own a company that makes a product that doesn't actually have to work in order for you to gross billions? Now, if this bothers you, you should p…

The image of the RadPRO SecurPASS in that link is outrageous with respect to actively exposing individuals to x-ray radiation. Inmates are x-rayed every time they return from work detail.

Why do we have to learn the lesson over and over again that x-ray radiation causes cancer? I hate the arguments that it only hurts us a little bit each time.

Re: The TSA's True Focus Isn't Safety - It's Self-Preservation

#105
post #19

The whole trick of designing institutions is to make sure that when they act for their own self-preservation (as they will and do) they will simultaneously be achieving the goal we want them to be achieving.

So, ensure that organizations that fail to achieve their goal go away? This isn't complicated: if you want to keep your job, you need to do it, and meet some sort of standard in doing so.

The problem is we've somehow managed to create organizations that continue to exist even when they completely fail to accomplish the intended tasks. Once your method of self-preservation shifts from "functioning" to "lobbying", the whole thing needs to be dismantled.

The TSA is fortunate in that they have other people lobbying on their behalf, but that doesn't change the fact that they exist due to legislation rather than effectiveness.

Re: The TSA's True Focus Isn't Safety - It's Self-Preservation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is true of almost every entity.

Probably, yes. But at least private entities can be (and frequently are) killed by customers starving them of their income - this can happen passively by simply not buying their products anymore. Public sectors ones need politicians to actively invest political capital in not just removing it, but figuring out what it was meant to do in the first place, how to do it better and then setup a new entity that's better -…

I think a good example to point to would be Pinkerton security, which for example guards some military bases when needed for things like air shows. They are highly trained at security. The TSA seems to hire almost anyone that is breathing and hasn't been to prison. They seem completely unconcerned with security and more concerned with being rule-bent weirdos.

Re: The TSA's True Focus Isn't Safety - It's Self-Preservation

#107
post #31

Welcome to America's permanent big government state. This is a prime example of excessive government bureaucracy, and it demonstrates how inefficient and wasteful many of these govt. programs are but exist anyway to keep politicians happy. The only reason TSA is getting called out for its unnecessary bloat is because the public despises what they do.

The size of the federal bureaucracy has hovered around 2m +/- 10% for the last 50 years, even as the U.S. population has increased by over 70%.

I highly doubt the employee headcount of the federal government is a good indicator of efficiency. I would say not at all. There could be 10 total government employees but that wouldn't signify more well-oiled machine. My initial assertion stands true. The government is bloated, inefficient, and wasteful (now more than ever). TSA is merely a good microcosm for the system as a whole.

Side note: it's appreciated (expected?) to provide sources when throwing out stats.

Re: The TSA's True Focus Isn't Safety - It's Self-Preservation

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably, yes. But at least private entities can be (and frequently are) killed by customers starving them of their income - this can happen passively by simply not buying their products anymore. Public sectors ones need politicians to actively invest political capital in not just removing it, but figuring out what it was meant to do in the first place, how to do it better and then setup a new entity that's better -…

I think a good example to point to would be Pinkerton security, which for example guards some military bases when needed for things like air shows. They are highly trained at security. The TSA seems to hire almost anyone that is breathing and hasn't been to prison. They seem completely unconcerned with security and more concerned with being rule-bent weirdos.

I'm not saying that the guards couldn't be privately employed (which is the case in SFO, for an example) - as long as they have to enforce TSA stupid rules, that doesn't matter (anecdotal evidence suggests the guards in SFO are friendlier than average, but this can have many causes).

I was referring to making security a private concern in the same way operating an airline is a private concern - that I struggle to see how would work: How do you align the long-term interest that a terror attack doesn't occur with the short-term horizon of an industry that bankrupts itself every decade?

On the other hand, FAA seems to be mostly sane and evidence-driven, so they might take on the task of creating and maintaining the regulatory framework that private airport security would operate under.

Re: The TSA's True Focus Isn't Safety - It's Self-Preservation

#109

Why do people accept this reality when talking about the TSA, but not other government agencies? All government agencies are like this, especially the Federal ones.

People say the same things about the DEA and IRS quite frequently. (Short-sighted people also say it about things like NPR, NASA, and the EPA.) Complaining about government waste is one of the great American pastimes.

Re: The TSA's True Focus Isn't Safety - It's Self-Preservation

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post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There have been no terrorist attacks (excepting the shoe bomber, but there have been no shoe attacks since shoes started to be inspected), but does that prove the TSA is effective? Hard to say. No, really, it's not. Of prevented terror attacks since 9/11, TSA has prevented exactly 0% of them. The shoe bomber was on the plane with the bomb when he was subdued by fellow passengers. The underwear bomber also made it o…

Neither the shoe bomber flight nor the underwear bomber flight originated in the US, so TSA did not screen passengers for either one.

Security on flights to the US is to the same standard, if not carried out by the same organisation, as flights in the US.
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