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Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by Aurornis »

WithinReason wrote: post #9

Mixed signals, here it's performing below even GPT-5.4 Nano: https://livebench.ai/ while here it outperforms Fable by a significant margin: https://oxalpha.com/ but if the latter is true, will people still say it was "distilled" from Fable?

Claims about Ox Alpha performing at Fable level were from the social media hype cycle. Everything new in the LLM space brings a wave of influencers hyping it up as a revolutionary leap forward. Don’t forget to like and subscribe to learn more.

It is a capable small model, but it’s not frontier level. The interesting part will be seeing the model size, how it responds to quantization, and how fast it runs on the kind of non-server hardware that we can buy without selling a kidney.

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by Aurornis »

SyneRyder wrote: post #57

Rather than a pelican, for fun I showed it a couple of screenshots from Niu Lai and asked it to create an SVG inspired by the images. I explained a little about how the movie had been made by a mother & son team, initially derided but then went on to surprise cult box office success. It came up with this: https://x.com/syneryder/status/2091978367579156569/photo/1 Created in a single turn - but technically not a "one-…

> I'm enjoying working with Ox in a way that I'm just not enjoying talking to the 5.0 Anthropic models.

That’s very valid, but right now every other model I use is easier to talk to than Opus 5.0

Opus 5.0 has an impenetrable way of communicating. I can parse it, but it takes so much more work than it should.

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by vblanco »

le-mark wrote: post #55
vblanco wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

completely vibes based, but ive been using it to port Mindustry game from Java to C# with agents, and its been working for 50 hours (its 15-20 tks so super slow inference). Its done a fantastic work and its almost finished now. Better results than deepseek flash and gpt luna by a mile on this kind of long term work. Less good than gpt sol or opus. We dont know the param count but my guess is 200-300 range.

Just curious, what is the motivation for this conversion?

Its free tokens so i left it running for fun as a experiment

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by giwook »

seaal wrote: post #65
glimshe wrote: post #37

There's a lot of brand confusion among the Chinese models right now. Kimi, Qwen, GLM, Z.ai, Ox. We might know the difference (or I should say, someone does because I'm losing track already) but these models have no chance at end user penetration and loyalty until there's a single focused survivor. It took me a year talking about it until my wife knew that ChatGPT and Gemini are two different things. PS: some replies,…

There's a lot of brand confusion among the American models right now. ChatGPT, Claude, Gemma, OpenAI, Meta, Google, Muse Spark, Anthropic, Microsoft, Gemini. We might know the difference (or I should say, someone does because I'm losing track already) but these models have no chance at end user penetration and loyalty until there's a single focused survivor. It took me a year talking about it until my wife knew that…

Well done.

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by NitpickLawyer »

hypfer wrote: post #49

> The company on Wednesday confirmed speculation that the Ox Alpha model is a new iteration of its GLM series and said it will release the weights for it tonight, in response to queries by Bloomberg News. Where? And "Tonight" in which timezone?

> in which timezone?

Apparently someone working at a 3rd party inference provider also got confused and posted confirmation about it being a glm-flash model, despite having an embargo on that info. Someone jumped in the comments and told them they missed the timezone :)

In any case it should be releasing in a few hours. Timezones are hard.

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by syntaxing »

I’m more curious on the size. If it’s smaller than or equal size to GLM 5.3, this would be a crazy good model. If it’s closer to deepseek pro, it would be a good model. If it’s near Kimi K3, I think it’s competitive but nothing particularly differentiating.

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by anon373839 »

xienze wrote: post #50
tescreal wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really want to see hard evidence of distillation before I buy into it. Seems like a lot of sour grapes over not having the sort of lead assumed. In this field, it has been shown repeatedly that leaps in performance come swiftly and without notice.

What would constitute evidence in your opinion?

How about proof that black-box distillation can deliver these results without a very sophisticated RL pipeline doing the heavy lifting?
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