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Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by fartfeatures »

kristianp wrote: post #816
gardaani wrote: post #169

Rumors say that Apple will only release M6 base variant and skips M6 Pro, M6 Max and M6 Ultra variants to concentrate all efforts to create a good AI capable M7: "According to reports from Bloomberg, Apple will be skipping its M6 Pro, M6 Max, and M6 Ultra chips to accelerate development of the M7 chip. That means the only chip to be released from the M6 family will be the base M6. The reason for this break with tradi…

> I'd skip M5 and M6 chips for LLM work and wait for a year for M7. Or you could lease an M5 max/ultra until the M7 equivalent comes out. At least in the US a leasing option is available.

I'd be worried about securely erasing my data when returning a leased model.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by MiroslavPokorny »

teiferer wrote: post #791
alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

> a little sluggish > surprised by how quick it felt Aren't these properties of the (G)UI rather than of the processor? I've been using systems 20 years ago that were super snappy. The same software would still be snappy today obviously. But the software has become bloated to the point that you need to run the latest generation of CPUs such that things are not sluggish. In principle you don't need 32-core GHz CPUs to…

Graphics on all o/s are single threaded, so you are correct the cpu count doesnt matter.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by hochmartinez »

barrell wrote: post #780
plasticeagle wrote: post #605

Earlier quoted context omitted.

M1 Pro 2021 16GB RAM Feels as snappy and impressive as the first day I got it. I never need to close apps, or reboot. I record multitrack audio on it without any perceptible latency. I write code on it. It's the best computer I've ever owned by a significant margin.

M1 Pro 2021 16GB RAM as well. However, I live with Activity Monitor open at all times. The computer constantly grinds to a halt, and I have to force quit apps at least 10 times per day. Not really Apple's fault though, just most apps use around 4GB of RAM these days even when they're idle. Some use upwards of 16GB. I've watched the computer slowly get obsoleted over time, not because the hardware is too old, but beca…

It's not obsolete at all.

Install Linux to unleash the full potential of your M1 (or to liberate any other system with a BloatOs, like macOS or Windows).

I resucitated and saved from the landfill a laggy and almost unusable laptop with Window 10, 4GB RAM and a Celeron processor, how?... Installing Manjaro (Arch), XFCE and kernel 6.18.

ZSwap and MGLru do wonders with memory and cache management.

It's fast enough with Thorium SSE4. I can easily open 15-20 tabs.

I use it as daily driver.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by flohofwoe »

Folcon wrote: post #860
teiferer wrote: post #791

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a little sluggish > surprised by how quick it felt Aren't these properties of the (G)UI rather than of the processor? I've been using systems 20 years ago that were super snappy. The same software would still be snappy today obviously. But the software has become bloated to the point that you need to run the latest generation of CPUs such that things are not sluggish. In principle you don't need 32-core GHz CPUs to…

I keep thinking this and maybe I'm missing something, but I'd love to be able to opt for something in this direction, some old school constraints, I feel like we should be able to do something pretty magical these days For example, is there a version of linux that I'm missing? I've not run a desktop linux box in over a decade, any suggestions would be great, or is everyone happily running ubuntu / fedora?

Plain Kubuntu on an Asus Zenbook OLED 14 laptop looks and feels pretty great compared to both Win11 on the same machine (ok that's not really surprising) or current macOS on an M1 Pro MBP (hardware is pretty old by now ofc). Once you start CPU intensive tasks the ASUS gets pretty hot though, while the Mac at most gets a bit warm.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by noduerme »

teiferer wrote: post #791
alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

> a little sluggish > surprised by how quick it felt Aren't these properties of the (G)UI rather than of the processor? I've been using systems 20 years ago that were super snappy. The same software would still be snappy today obviously. But the software has become bloated to the point that you need to run the latest generation of CPUs such that things are not sluggish. In principle you don't need 32-core GHz CPUs to…

Yeah... my solution for the last 3 decades (with a grain of salt) has been to buy the most expensive decked out Apple laptop every 6 years and never, ever update the OS. This is in line with my philosophy about shoes: I only own 5 copies of one pair (4 in boxes in my closet until I wear the current ones out). Rolling everything over to a new dev environment every 6 years is annoying but manageable. This way I took a Powerbook 3400 into the intel age, took a titanium macbook into the air age, took two airs for almost a decade from 10.4 to 10.10 or something, then an M1. Which I'm still using. The 3400 still boots into OS 9 or something. I feel like I'm forgetting one. But the point is this: Apple software usually suits the hardware it's released with, and taking their updates is always a bad idea. Just get comfy with homebrew and settle down for your 30s or 40s until you've broken all the keys and the fan stops working. A $3-4k investment in the best performing machine they have will be great essentially until the machine itself breaks as long as you scrupulously block all apple ip addresses and rip all their update shit out as soon as you get your hands on it.

Also, the m5 mac mini impulse buy as a home server has been fantastic to just login to remotely, but I'm so glad I'm still using Monterey on my M1 for daily coding.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by workmandan »

ablation wrote: post #837
greenowl wrote: post #581

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Still rocking an M1 Air - 2020 build. 8GB ram. No slowdown or deterioration at all. Battery health reports the battery max capacity at 84%. Best computer I've ever owned, by far.

M1 Pro 32gb RAM. I still have absolutely no reason to upgrade.

Same. It's a monster

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by Weryj »

hyperbovine wrote: post #532
cute_boi wrote: post #178

> Apple’s developer frameworks and tools — including Core AI, Core ML, Metal, and Xcode Can we please kill the xcode. It is worst pile of garbage I have to use just to develop ios app.

This is why so many iOS apps these days are based on Electron/Capacitor/React Native/etc.

That's probably because they want to develop cross-platform.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by cahaya »

greenowl wrote: post #581
alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

Still rocking an M1 Air - 2020 build. 8GB ram. No slowdown or deterioration at all. Battery health reports the battery max capacity at 84%. Best computer I've ever owned, by far.

Until recently my M1 Max 32GB 2021 was great until memory became the bottleneck. My M1 Pro 8GB lasted me less than a year bcs with Docker dev stuff made it sluggish. 32GB was great for years until AI assisted productivity got so high with Codex. Running 3 projects, 3 different worktrees, each either Docker compose or running/building Electron apps. So in this high AI era productivity my Mac is using insane amount of RAM and SSD space (bcs of all the worktrees)

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by mjochim »

noduerme wrote: post #896
teiferer wrote: post #791

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a little sluggish > surprised by how quick it felt Aren't these properties of the (G)UI rather than of the processor? I've been using systems 20 years ago that were super snappy. The same software would still be snappy today obviously. But the software has become bloated to the point that you need to run the latest generation of CPUs such that things are not sluggish. In principle you don't need 32-core GHz CPUs to…

Yeah... my solution for the last 3 decades (with a grain of salt) has been to buy the most expensive decked out Apple laptop every 6 years and never, ever update the OS. This is in line with my philosophy about shoes: I only own 5 copies of one pair (4 in boxes in my closet until I wear the current ones out). Rolling everything over to a new dev environment every 6 years is annoying but manageable. This way I took a…

> never, ever update the OS.

> took two airs for almost a decade from 10.4 to 10.10 or something

I’m curious, did macOS 10.4->10.10 not constitute an OS update? Or was this a time when you applied your rule differently?

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