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Re: New Mac Studio with M5 Max and M5 Ultra

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Post by mihaaly »

addaon wrote: post #219
osmukka wrote: post #179

Reading this press release was almost physically painful, because of how much Apple loves to use the phrase "up to". In total it appears 46 times.

A lot of those "up to"s are expressing user options, though -- "up to" 512 GB RAM means that there are configurations that include that, but also cheaper configurations that don't. That's a pretty different beast than "up to 4.3x faster performance", which means (presumably) that exactly one benchmark showed a 4.3x improvement and the rest showed less -- which is to say, means very little.

> A lot of those

46, actually. 46. I am pretty certain that the explanation lies completely elsewhere...

(overuse of overstatements, for the sake of manipulation, perhaps? something that makes their saying unreliable this way - e.g. they forget to mention the other end of the range, or perhaps the mean, completely .... except when it is good for them, e.g. prices ... that's borderline to lying this way...)

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Post by phatskat »

mikestorrent wrote: post #503
baxtr wrote: post #466

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Camera on or off? I love taking meetings while walking but since Covid everyone has their camera on making sedentary meetings mandatory.

There's a lot of value in camera-on, but for some meetings, I love being camera off, nowhere near my computer, somewhere else in the house, watering plants or sweeping the floor. Sometimes it actually has me MORE engaged with the verbal aspect of the meeting, listening better, speaking better, because there's less distraction from Slack and Hacker News...

I'm much more attentive in some meetings when my hands aren't on the keyboard. For particularly important meetings I'll get out my knitting so that I can be close by while having something that's not failing unit tests occupying my hands

Re: New Mac Studio with M5 Max and M5 Ultra

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Post by LandR »

mrheosuper wrote: post #479
BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #33

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> Not exactly "future proof" Computers are never "future proof".

>Computers are never "future proof". Till now. My thinkpad t14g1 with 16gb ram somehow still relevant today.

My main PC at home is 15 years old at this point, running linux. It's fine.

I don't play games, but it still chugs along perfectly fine and for what I use it for I rarely think that it's too slow.

Re: New Mac Studio with M5 Max and M5 Ultra

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Post by alpineman »

dannyw wrote: post #332
doctoboggan wrote: post #202

> Apple’s most powerful Mac raises the bar for local AI Wow, "Local AI" mentioned in the subheading above the fold - it's really awesome to see Apple leaning into this use case and I think it will definitely pay off for them going forward. Fingers crossed Apple is able to put some engineering effort towards shipping with one of the frontier open weight models included and optimized exactly for the machine.

The product marketing managers write for the target audience; of course they know lots of people buying these are the local LLM crowd. I actually wouldn't want a serious model shipping 'on disk'. Models release so often, it's going to get outdated quickly. LMStudio is trivial to set up.

U2-OSS-vBono-120b

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Post by shaunkoh »

jasode wrote: post #139
joshstrange wrote: post #7

Due to pricing insanity (not that Apple prices weren’t insane before the ram/ssd shortages) I’m not in the market but I do wonder if my next computer should be a Mac Studio instead of a MBP that lives its life docked. Might be better to just run a Studio and Neo for the very few times I actually need remote capabilities.

>I do wonder if my next computer should be a Mac Studio instead of a MBP that lives its life docked. Having owned 3 MacBook Pros since 2008, the decision to make my next computer be a Mac Studio came down to (1) MacBook thermal throttling that slows down CPUs when it starts to overheat and (2) easier upgrade of Mac Studio SSD with after-market storage module whereas the MacBook requires more complicated disassembly a…

I used to game on my 2014 MBP. That was a bad idea - took about 5 years, but eventually my batteries became spicy pillows.

Turns out that even with the fans at full blast, the batteries didn’t like being so hot over prolonged periods.

I’m happy with my M4 mini now, with a separate windows pc for gaming.

Re: New Mac Studio with M5 Max and M5 Ultra

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Post by shaunkoh »

contingencies wrote: post #318
joshstrange wrote: post #7

Due to pricing insanity (not that Apple prices weren’t insane before the ram/ssd shortages) I’m not in the market but I do wonder if my next computer should be a Mac Studio instead of a MBP that lives its life docked. Might be better to just run a Studio and Neo for the very few times I actually need remote capabilities.

Happy with M4 Mini, although I recommend using a well ventilated M.2 enclosure instead of the integrated docks as I just had a 2TB Kingston die which I'm pretty sure was caused by "zero thermal forks given (chopsticks only)" UGreen hub design. Also can use as a laptop and replace screen/keyboard/whatever when failed/unsuitable. Higher resulting device longevity, especially with Asahi Linux making such great progress.…

I got an OWC Express 1M2 precisely because of thermal fears. The heatsink is huge, but no fans. Only real issue is needing to be careful to not nudge the cables.

I also suspect that trying to stream larger LLM models from disk hammered the USB 4 connection too much - lead to system hangs, so now stream from the internal SSD instead.

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Post by davedx »

joshstrange wrote: post #7

Due to pricing insanity (not that Apple prices weren’t insane before the ram/ssd shortages) I’m not in the market but I do wonder if my next computer should be a Mac Studio instead of a MBP that lives its life docked. Might be better to just run a Studio and Neo for the very few times I actually need remote capabilities.

Yeah, I was about to say "or an iPad Pro", but the Neo is shockingly cheaper than an iPad Air.

There's definitely an option for everyone if you want to go down the "fixed supercomputer, remote terminal" route.

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Post by wishfish »

harikb wrote: post #362
PaulRobinson wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been thinking about this a fair bit recently. We make a lot of price/performance compromises for having an attached screen and keyboard on our computer. That was what got me started. Then I remembered the days of having to go to a special corner of the house to use a computer, vs now when I have a computer with me all the time. In my bag, on the sofa, on the train. Hell, I'm writing this on the work MBP while wa…

Is there an option to "use the remote computer just as it was local" even between two Macs? Sure, terminal/ssh is enough for most use-cases, but this is something I expected from Apple as builtin. I can tailscale into my home network, but what next? VNC/TeamViewer/Remote Desktop setups are all mediocre imho.

Apple Screen Sharing is probably the best when it's purely within Apple products. But if the mix is more heterogeneous, I've found Sunshine (server) and Moonlight (client) is great.

This open source software was built for lag-free gaming over a network, but I've found they're great for desktop usage too. I frequently use it to remote into my Windows tower. Feels about as responsive as if I was sitting at the desk using the tower directly.

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Post by _rwo »

Terretta wrote: post #483
joshstrange wrote: post #7

Due to pricing insanity (not that Apple prices weren’t insane before the ram/ssd shortages) I’m not in the market but I do wonder if my next computer should be a Mac Studio instead of a MBP that lives its life docked. Might be better to just run a Studio and Neo for the very few times I actually need remote capabilities.

Yes, and.. Just Tailscale into the Studio from iPad Pro 13" with magic keyboard and Kit Knox's rootshell: https://github.com/kitknox/rootshell Note that the iPad Pro can also drive a 4K second screen if you like, and most anything else a Macbook with a single port could drive. Why not Macbook Air? Because the iPad Pro is also a tablet, touch screen, and 5G...

thanks for this link! I was constantly struggling with remote-ipad setup - tried so many things (including paid options), but everything was _iffy_ at best (on-call4live, lol)

And I'm also gonna ride my M1Max Studio until it dies (hopefully it will outlive me xD)

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