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How credit card rewards became a $9.2B wealth transfer

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Re: How credit card rewards became a $9.2B wealth transfer

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In the UK (which broadly follows the same rules), I get 0.25% with a Visa and 1.25% with Amex. Sometimes there are introductory offers for a few months.

And as a result of that, Amex is often not accepted.

Looking at my spending in the UK, about 90% goes through Amex. Even the small corner shop takes it.

Re: How credit card rewards became a $9.2B wealth transfer

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post #59

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And often the credit card companies try to enforce this by writing wording into their contracts that try to stop merchants offering different prices for different payment methods.

This is true. In fact, if you come across a merchant that accepts credit with a minimum purchase amount or tacks an extra fee, you can take the receipt and call the terminal owner (visa/MasterCard) and report it. The receipt has a terminal ID, and it turns out the likes of Visa get really pissed if merchants do that. I know this because I used to work on a US military base. There was a sole merchant on a particular i…

This was struck down. That's why you see so many cash/debit card discounts now.

Re: How credit card rewards became a $9.2B wealth transfer

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post #34

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In NYC, most independent shops give a debit card discount / credit card surcharge.

Card network rules in the US prohibit merchants from adding a surcharge for payment with a debit card. Most merchants are either unaware, or prefer not to care. If you are using a debit card at a business that assesses a card surcharge, point out that your card is a debit card when paying and refuse to pay the surcharge. If that does not help, there are online forms available from both Mastercard and Visa where you c…

That is not true: https://www.lawpay.com/about/blog/credit-card-surcharge-rule...

It used to be true, but this changed many years ago.

Re: How credit card rewards became a $9.2B wealth transfer

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And often the credit card companies try to enforce this by writing wording into their contracts that try to stop merchants offering different prices for different payment methods.

This is true. In fact, if you come across a merchant that accepts credit with a minimum purchase amount or tacks an extra fee, you can take the receipt and call the terminal owner (visa/MasterCard) and report it. The receipt has a terminal ID, and it turns out the likes of Visa get really pissed if merchants do that. I know this because I used to work on a US military base. There was a sole merchant on a particular i…

That is not true. This hasn’t been the law for many years.

Re: How credit card rewards became a $9.2B wealth transfer

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"I make $250k CAD a year, my experiences must be representative of, and relevant to, the masses," is a wild thought to have. Well, maybe I spoke too soon, because my private American healthcare turns out to also be about 8% of my gross income (of $60k)(before copays and my deductible)(and also it's crap). Twinsies! But yes I agree that it would be awful to have my health needs taken care of and a mere ~160k USD left…

Oh I certainly don’t think it’s representative to that of the masses, I was sharing an anecdote. I think either way both of us are in really good shape. In my experience the quality of American care is better in nearly every regard (having experienced both pretty intimately), but the simplicity and the peace of mind of the Canadian system has its benefits too. In either case you end up paying. > But yes I agree that…

I think the main issue that the NHS model of 10+ years ago worked when fully funded. The Canadian model is a mix match of US healthcare and Medicare. Some drugs aren’t covered, some procedures take forever, and you don’t get guaranteed doctor. Many European healthcare system have solved the issues we have, but Canada has refused to adopt any sensible system.

Re: How credit card rewards became a $9.2B wealth transfer

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This ignores the aspect of consumer data. Credit issuers generate profit through issuing rewards programs in part due to the sale of their customer’s behavioral spending data. Cash and debit users largely retain their data privacy here.

It’s hard to put a real world number on what the cost to the consumer is for losing this data ownership, but it is not zero: these data are increasingly used for targeted pricing practices which extort additional margins from the consumer at a later date.

Re: How credit card rewards became a $9.2B wealth transfer

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How hard is it for the wealthy to not smack everyone else around at every possible opportunity? What happened to noblesse oblige? (This is not a rhetorical question, I would love to hear others' take on the psychology and history of the subject. Really, how hard is it?)

One thing that happened is The Copenhagen Interpretation of Ethics, right? Mark Zuckerberg is panned for having 'defunded' a school. What happened was he paid for it for a while and then stopped in a planned manner. Those who didn't ever pay were better off. In general, at the margin you move some guy who was ambivalent to opposed. Jordan Henderson spoke for gay rights, and got panned when he moved to Saudi Arabia, while many footballers did not speak out about gay rights ever and received no censure over this.

The general rule with many of these causes is that unless you're willing to be absolutely committed, it's better not to be involved. If you cannot prove to yourself absolute fidelity perpetually into the future, it's better to not do it at all. The punishment for the apostate far outweighs the punishment for the infidel.

So your commitment has to be at least high enough to be willing to bear the resulting punishment for your apostasy. And if it is any less than that, you are strongly encouraged to just stay out of it. It's not that anyone is mean or anything. It's just that on the margin not-participating costs nothing and participating incurs a massive liability. That causes a shift in the window.

Re: How credit card rewards became a $9.2B wealth transfer

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That sounds really convenient! Is it a new building? I know the odd American or Canadian build will have that, but only the newer and more expensive ones.

I had that in Sweden 20 years ago. Typically our local municipality put fiber whenever they dug up anything, so fiber is everywhere.

This is something to underscore, US people always talks about how "big and sprawling" the US is, but there's fiber at my fathers house in Northern Sweden that's in an area with similar population density to Wisconsin or whatever rural US state you want to pick.

Some kind of city(iirc) managed fiber and he can switch commercial operators (And speeds/prices) by contacting them to get new terms, that's an actually free market.

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