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Nitter and XCancel receive cease and desist notices

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Post by alightsoul »

xigoi wrote: post #250
suddenlybananas wrote: post #7

It's hardly unique to Twitter but it's so frustrating how much "content" online requires an account. Whenever my friends send me something on Instagram or TikTok or a restaurant puts their menu on Instagram, I'm barraged with a thousand dark patterns forcing me to log in. Even Reddit is doing it now. I do wonder how much of this is to boost engagement versus another "wonderful" side effect from LLMs since they need t…

> Whenever my friends send me something on Instagram or TikTok Reply with a screenshot showing that you can’t view the content. > a restaurant puts their menu on Instagram Don’t go there. Plenty of other restaurants to choose from. They just lost a customer due to their hostility.

That customer is the exception because most are signed in all the time

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Post by nottorp »

What I don't understand is why people insist on using a service when that service doesn't want them.

I mean, xcancel had bandwidth costs. Even if covered by donations, in what world does it make sense to pay to access twitter instead of moving your business elsewhere?

You'll say the "content creators" are there. Would they stay if they run out of viewers?

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Post by lofaszvanitt »

Gabe Newell said it eloquently about gaming piracy that it is a service problem not a money issue.

Twitter has a UI/UX issue, and instead of fixing the clusterfuck, they decide to nuke sane alternatives. Maybe they live off of people's pain, and without that they can't function.

Interesting times we live in.

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Post by lofaszvanitt »

S0y wrote: post #343

https://joinmastodon.org/ https://bsky.app/ https://www.threads.com/ Pick literally any one of those, just seriously, if you're still on that platform, leave.

All of these are seriously bad copycat alternatives of twitter. And since twitter's foundations are laid on moving bedrock.... the whole thing is a horrible abomination where the tendrils are these "alternatives".

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Post by alightsoul »

alex1138 wrote: post #345

This thing of needing to log in to view public pages needs to die It's not "security". You know it's not. I feel like Facebook started the whole thing in their desperate attempt to get more users (while simultaneously screwing around with privacy settings on posts). It's incredibly widespread (I refuse to sign up for Instagram) "Scraping" isn't an argument (LLMs for example) either The leadership of these companies,…

By making it login only, every potential user is turned into a sellable asset. And you convince the courts that it's a password restricted website so you "breached" authorization or something

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Post by jraph »

big_toast wrote: post #298

I don’t get why ai labs and staff didn’t move to Bluesky or something more open. Grok searching across x/twitter is too valuable to ignore or silo. X is effectively a high signal comment layer for the entire internet + quasi internet (arxiv) + real world. Same applies to any data silo I suppose, X just seems more straightforward to beachhead.

> I don’t get why ai labs and staff didn’t move to Bluesky or something more open.

Why would they, specifically? There's nothing particularly open about them.

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Post by danielbarla »

lofaszvanitt wrote: post #554

Gabe Newell said it eloquently about gaming piracy that it is a service problem not a money issue. Twitter has a UI/UX issue, and instead of fixing the clusterfuck, they decide to nuke sane alternatives. Maybe they live off of people's pain, and without that they can't function. Interesting times we live in.

I agree with Gabe Newell's take, however it absolutely is _also_ a money issue (which Steam went a long way to alleviating with regional pricing). Median PPP ratios for other continents are: Asia ~2.76x, Africa ~2.76x, Europe ~1.58x, etc.

Currently new AAA titles debut for 60 to 80 USD. I'm wondering what the piracy situation would look like in the USA, if this was, say 160 to 220 USD; because that is what paying US prices feels like to the median person.

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Post by ad_hockey »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #126
b112 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they expecting legal advice to take a long tine?! It's fairly reasonable to check with a lawyer first, before damaging yourself by complying. The legal system gets this concept. Otherwise random, unwarranted desist orders from your enemies could break you. Anyone can send an request. Weird.

Legal advice costs a lot of money unless you find a lawyer doing it for free, which is rare. I agree with the spirit of your comment though. More resistance would be a good thing. It’s just unfortunate how it seems to cost like $20k to $100k. Nitter should put up a request for donations for legal fees. Lots of people are willing.

Somebody asked about that on the GitHub thread. You can donate at https://liberapay.com/zedeus or https://patreon.com/nitter.

They also take crypto (see Donations section in the project readme)

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