Anything is better than the current crop of Claudes, its prose has become painful.
It's so bad that my workflow has Sol rewrite all comments and error messages produced by Claude.
Analyzing student votes across AI models for college essay help
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#32I'd love to see the same experiment with responses normalized for length, and with actual essay quality scored separately from how helpful the model's feedback felt
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Makes sense when you consider what type of data Google had available in abundance. Natural written language (e.g., Docs, Gmail, Books) and natural spoken language (e.g., YouTube). One could argue that Google Colab would supply the training data for better coding performance. I would argue that Colab is mostly used for non-complex (e.g., small number of variables) and self-contained (i.e., runnable in one page) code t…
According to public material, Google does not train Gemini on Gmail or Docs: https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/products/gmail/pr... https://proton.me/business/blog/google-docs-ai-scraping
They cached the entire internet an have Google Books though
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Makes sense when you consider what type of data Google had available in abundance. Natural written language (e.g., Docs, Gmail, Books) and natural spoken language (e.g., YouTube). One could argue that Google Colab would supply the training data for better coding performance. I would argue that Colab is mostly used for non-complex (e.g., small number of variables) and self-contained (i.e., runnable in one page) code t…
According to public material, Google does not train Gemini on Gmail or Docs: https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/products/gmail/pr... https://proton.me/business/blog/google-docs-ai-scraping
Given it's Google, I don't believe it.
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#35I'm blown away, lol. I am not a fan of Gemini.
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#36In my experience, Gemini excels at explaining new concepts clearly and intuitively. Much more so than other models.
So, given that developers these days mix and match models anyway with harnesses like Pi, has anyone tried letting Claude or GPT do the coding, and Gemini do the comments and documentation? Maybe even asking it to "translate" Claude's output messages to better human language for the developer or subagents?
I use Qwen/Claude for coding and Gemini/Gemma to draft text intended for a human. To me that feels like each model playing to their strengths.
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#37The spread isn't as large as I thought from the headline. It's closer to a toss-up than I would have expected.
The length of the response is a huge factor:
> Students tended to prefer longer responses. The selected answer was 37% longer on average than the alternatives. The longest response won 47.7% of decisive writing comparisons. The shortest still won 25.0%.
So the score is partially a proxy for longest responses.
Makes me wonder how much the reviewers actually read the text. Were lazy evaluators picking the text that looked the longest or most structured without reading it all?
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#38If you use Gemini after reading Claude's simlish, it will feel very refreshing.
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#39> How to use Gemini for a college essay Given that this is increasingly the go-to for a college degree, college needs to rethink its cirricula and place in the world. Or at least get rid of the essay. Lest it become a place where student and teacher ais go to play pay-to-win social deduction video games.
The homework essay is dead. High schoolers in my home state were just relieved of any take-home assignments because it was pointless now, I guess universities won't be far behind.
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#40> How to use Gemini for a college essay Given that this is increasingly the go-to for a college degree, college needs to rethink its cirricula and place in the world. Or at least get rid of the essay. Lest it become a place where student and teacher ais go to play pay-to-win social deduction video games.
My professor and teacher friends are painfully aware of how many students submit AI generated essays.
They're adding steps like having the students discuss and defend their essay, which immediately reveals the people who had AI write something and thought they could bluff. This triggers complaints about social anxiety and such, which are unfortunately becoming the go-to defense when unable to discuss the work.
They're also moving toward more in-person writing. Instead of long essays, shorter writing segments as part of the test. Submitting a written essay earns you feedback from the professor and a better understanding of the topic, but that's it.