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Coding expertise is going to collapse from AI reliance

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Re: Coding expertise is going to collapse from AI reliance

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Post by larsfaye »

keel-control wrote: post #390

I was thinking about this anti AI sentiment and how it is related to American individualism. In socialist countries like China there has never been a protest related to data centres or job loss etc. unlike in the USA. Because the large scale impact of AI on the country is exclusively a net positive. The reduction of the individuals cost of labour by also reduces perceived egalitarianism which is the mental model used…

> The long term impact of AI on society is exclusively a net positive if utilised in the correct way.

Hi, I'm Earth, have we met?

Re: Coding expertise is going to collapse from AI reliance

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Post by zqna »

GPerson wrote: post #552
zqna wrote: post #435

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There 4 categories of people: the bandits, the smarts, the naives and the stupids. Bandits reign over the world, and in the past they needed the naives and the stupids to make them rich. In the age when enrichment can be automated they can see that naives and stupides are only contributing in shrinking their cake. They only need few smarts to keep their infrastructure alive so they could enjoy the planet for themselv…

The world consists of independent actors, at different scales, and lots of entropy. Any model like yours giving all the agency to 50 protagonists is a silly oversimplification.

Welcome to the naives group! Maybe you will be good at the trenches in the next war

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Post by bogdanoff_2 »

matsemann wrote: post #557
bogdanoff_2 wrote: post #550

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Is that the experience you had? What if you ask it questions about the codebase? I find AI agents really great for codebase exploration and understanding how it works. In some ways even moreso than from manual implementation since it's easier to get a global picture. You can also ask it questions like "are there recurring patterns of how X is done in the codebase?" to which it might answer sometime like "there are ac…

Not everything is encoded in code, though.

Like what?

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Post by Izkata »

chermi wrote: post #556
latentsea wrote: post #515

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>This lands. Where does it land?

Did I use the saying wrong? My bad I confuse them sometimes

I think it's technically right use of the meaning, but the way it's used somehow feels weird and out of place. Like I'm trying to remember ever seeing it as an assertive statement about a concept, instead of a question ("how does this land?") or a reference to something specific (new release has landed).

I don't think people have identified that as an LLMism, but the way it feels out of place I wouldn't be surprised if someone did. Being a punchy two word sentence doesn't help here.

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Post by Izkata »

juvvel wrote: post #239
lanstin wrote: post #71

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Yeah, I have to say some of this deskilling argument sounds like Socrates complaining about the invention of writing ruining people's ability to truly own the text. I really don't mourn my lost assembly skills or my lost C skills. And I'm not missing the details of whatever web framework du jour my Claude is vibing for me on my extremely useful dataviz internal tools; and I have learned how to rein the agents in to n…

There is an argument to be made though that writing stuff down yourself results in better retention than simply reading the same material. People still write by hand and take notes. And they still process ideas and thoughts verbally. Doing so is often more effective than going in circles with a chatbot.

This is where I'm suspicious of people who say they're learning more from LLMs. Are they actually learning, or do they just think they're learning (like how Duolingo is gameified pattern matching so it feels like you're making progress, but most people are learning the pattern matching instead of the language).

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Post by confidantlake »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #351
ryandvm wrote: post #48

100% We're already seeing this at the enterprise level. Companies have dictates from leadership that "if you're writing code manually, you're doing it wrong." Okay, that kind of works for a while. We are indeed producing a shit-ton of code, but the reality is that engineers are pumping out code faster than the humans can understand and (honestly) review it. That sounds great until you realize that "hey Claude, read t…

Mythical man month should still apply for AI coding. If you look at the code you're shipping, and you can't quickly edit it by hand, or fix a bug with it, you will be in trouble if the models are down, and your website is down at the same unfortunate time.

If the models are down you are probably in the same situation as when aws is down. A collective shrug, everyone is down, no one will take the blame individually.

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Post by chermi »

Izkata wrote: post #564
chermi wrote: post #556

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Did I use the saying wrong? My bad I confuse them sometimes

I think it's technically right use of the meaning, but the way it's used somehow feels weird and out of place. Like I'm trying to remember ever seeing it as an assertive statement about a concept, instead of a question ("how does this land?") or a reference to something specific (new release has landed). I don't think people have identified that as an LLMism, but the way it feels out of place I wouldn't be surprised…

Wait I'm I being accused of being an llm?

Edit- it being weird and out of place is probably right because I probably used it wrong. I probably shouldve said this lands for me. That sounds more normal

Edit2 I am not a bot trying to improve to sound more human. I promise

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Post by j45 »

causal wrote: post #50
j45 wrote: post #23

It may bifurcate the average skill from the skill of figuring out new solutions.

Yeah I'm not convinced people are just going to give up solving problems

It's possible a new kind of false belief might come up, but people thinking new ways aren't possible is nothing new at the same time.

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Post by andrewflnr »

whateveracct wrote: post #479
roncesvalles wrote: post #166

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>My actual job also included non-coding work: Does this attempted solution even work at all? Is this solving the right problem? Even if it's a valid solution to the right problem, is it the best solution given the time constraints? This is not non-coding work. This is coding.

maybe they meant typing? lol

That's the most reasonable read of "coding" as opposed to the overall discipline of software development/"engineering", yeah.

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Post by lrvick »

ex1fm3ta wrote: post #559
lrvick wrote: post #226

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A $1200 GPU is all a reasonably capable engineer needs for each work stream. The cloud prices are a scam.

hmm that's a bit low right now, since you need at least 48Gb of VRAM to be confortable. 32Gb might do it (on quantitized models + optimized) but it would be very slow.

That may have been true a few months ago, but shit changes fast in this space!

I run Qwen 3.8 27b on each of my six AMD AI PRO r9700 GPUs at 80tps decode each and they cranks for days with 256k context, doing complex kernel, compiler, debugging, enclave, bootstrapping, pentesting, hardening, and systems work full time.

~$1200-1500/ea on ebay.

Also ~40tps on my strix halo now but with room for several sessions at once.

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