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Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by alasdair_ »

snazz wrote: post #730
Twirrim wrote: post #632

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I'm always a little cautious about "tried it in the store" experience. If I nuke and rebuild my machine (either Linux, or Windows), it's always significantly faster than it was before. Over time stuff just tends to accumulate that you don't notice. Like the old days of needing to defrag hard disks.

I agree with you that this is a noticeable effect, but I have a hard time figuring out why it is, especially on Macs with the sealed system volume (which should make the operating system files bit-for-bit identical between a freshly set up Mac and one you've been using for years). Certainly it could come from the accumulation of cruft in /Library and ~/Library, but you can clean that up too.

One reason is the ssd. A heavily used ssd is just slower than a new one.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by gcanyon »

delish wrote: post #649
dcow wrote: post #533

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Can you characterize the deterioration more specifically? I only ask because every time I run this exercise for myself I end up back on macOS, despite any hiccups.

An example of deterioration: Jeff Goldblum's 30 second "Presenting three easy steps to the internet" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjY0xsoozs8 And now when you want to set up a fresh Mac it's a parade of dialogue boxes: Do you want to turn on Siri? No. (the dialogue-choice is probably "maybe later" ugh) Do you want to share app analytics with developers? Yes. Do you want to add Touch ID? No, because I'm setting thi…

"There's no step three!" -- I can hear his voice in my head.

But the Goldblum phrase I really try to keep alive is thinking jail, as in "What is beige? It's not even a color. Were they in thinking jail?" I often remark out loud when I realize I have been in thinking jail on a subject.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by foltik »

nomel wrote: post #580
xiphias2 wrote: post #97

Apple still has the best hardware so I moved to it for the last few years, but the closed software ecosystem is terrible for taking advantage of it. I wasn't able to debug network errors (restartin my Mac worked), Metal was missing low level disassembly / debugging tools (there is some hard to use UI), but the worst thing was the inflexible windowing system. Even getting all the window handles on all screens/desktops…

> but the closed software ecosystem There's aren't really any alternative OS [1], but I don't think it's fair to say there's a closed software ecosystem. You can install/compile/run whatever you want, including kernel extensions. The hardware isn't locked. [1] Hardware isn't locked: https://asahilinux.org/about/ > Apple allows booting unsigned/custom kernels on Apple Silicon Macs without a jailbreak! This isn’t a hac…

It’s barely a “feature” that they let you execute arbitrary code on your own hardware.

They don’t provide any source code or documentation (which they easily could) so if want to do literally anything with your “open” device you must first reverse engineer the entire MacOS driver stack like the Asahi project did. Great fun, but it’s a criminal waste of incredibly talented engineer hours.

On top of that, the reason Asahi doesn’t work on M4 and later is that Apple has intentionally modified the ARM core to prevent stock MacOS from running once the hardware is “unlocked,” which makes it way more difficult to reverse engineer.

Bastards.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by chis »

jameshart wrote: post #508
gizmodo59 wrote: post #308

I somehow find it better to give 2 frontier model companies 100-200/month than dropping 10 grand on a hardware that will get old in no time with bad TPS. I really want to have a fully local model but seems like one more generation wait and we will be there?

You could spend 100 a month leasing one of these for three years and get the best of both worlds

You’re still stuck paying for a 3 year contract for deprecating hardware. And the 256gb model which is still not enough is $230 a month. And it runs models 8 months behind frontier

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by unloader6118 »

alsetmusic wrote: post #576
dcow wrote: post #533

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Can you characterize the deterioration more specifically? I only ask because every time I run this exercise for myself I end up back on macOS, despite any hiccups.

Not OP, but a decades-long Mac user. Removing CLI tools over the years would be one way, though I run Homebrew and have everything I want or need. That doesn't change that scripting is less useful on a fleet of devices. Also, the UI has been in decline for a decade or so, with the regrettable decisions under Alan Dye. Thankfully, Zuck poached him and we're all grateful for that. I mean, what they've done to our icons…

> Removing CLI tools over the years would be one way

They are avoiding GPL3 licensed software and some GPL2 software are getting outdated.

That's why they didn't upgrade bash3 to bash4 , and replaced rsync with openrsync

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by georgel »

mymacbook wrote: post #612
alsetmusic wrote: post #576

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Not OP, but a decades-long Mac user. Removing CLI tools over the years would be one way, though I run Homebrew and have everything I want or need. That doesn't change that scripting is less useful on a fleet of devices. Also, the UI has been in decline for a decade or so, with the regrettable decisions under Alan Dye. Thankfully, Zuck poached him and we're all grateful for that. I mean, what they've done to our icons…

100% I wish Alan and Meta well. I look at what happened to System Preferences (I mean Settings) and it’s a disaster. Some apps have title bars and many don’t (AppleTV). Just trying to enjoy Apple Music is so painful compared to the old iTunes. I am struggling to enjoy my Mac as much as I did during the M1 transition when I thought finally they got rid of the HW bottlenecks brought by Jony like the dreaded MacBook key…

I really like what they did with the MBP redesign, reminds me of the PowerBook G4 Titanium aesthetic. The hardware to me is great, but the OS has gone very downhill. If I had a Snow Leopard era-ish build of OSX + modern security I would be perfectly happy. Settings.app is a disaster, same goes for recent iOS versions.

Apple Music must have been written by an intern or outsourced, how can you have a music playing app crash and do a System Report just by hitting the previous song button.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by unloader6118 »

tiahura wrote: post #584
alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

40+ years of guis and I'd rate MacOS usability around early 90s Openwindows. Something about being wedded to Fitts's law and 1985 design docs. Everyday I check on Fedora M4 progress.

Everytime I look at fedora, I think "are those GNOME guys retarded?" Linux would be much better if fedora never exist

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by FireBeyond »

delish wrote: post #649
dcow wrote: post #533

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Can you characterize the deterioration more specifically? I only ask because every time I run this exercise for myself I end up back on macOS, despite any hiccups.

An example of deterioration: Jeff Goldblum's 30 second "Presenting three easy steps to the internet" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjY0xsoozs8 And now when you want to set up a fresh Mac it's a parade of dialogue boxes: Do you want to turn on Siri? No. (the dialogue-choice is probably "maybe later" ugh) Do you want to share app analytics with developers? Yes. Do you want to add Touch ID? No, because I'm setting thi…

My "favorite"?

When you install Chrome, which you cannot accidentally do, and when you set it as the OS browser default, which you also cannot accidentally do...

... the next time you launch Safari, it will say that the default browser has been changed, "Did you mean to do that?" and of the two options presented ("Keep using Chrome" or "Switch back to Safari") the Safari option will be the default.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by genghisjahn »

holiveros wrote: post #660
greenowl wrote: post #581

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Still rocking an M1 Air - 2020 build. 8GB ram. No slowdown or deterioration at all. Battery health reports the battery max capacity at 84%. Best computer I've ever owned, by far.

Same here, my M1 Max 64GB beats the s*t out of my work-provided M5 16GB :P Best computer I've had in a long time.

That’s what I have and love it. I have M(N+1) envy but I remind myself that my machine runs great. And it’s paid for.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by transcriptase »

harry8 wrote: post #723
xp84 wrote: post #667

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I splurged for the 16GB version of this. Originally bought it for my spouse, and then replaced it with a refurbed M2 with 1TB of storage for reasons. So I took the "old" M1 Air. So far, can't come up with a reason to want to replace it. Not updating to Tahoe helps with that too.

> Not updating to Tahoe helps with that too. Apple - the absolute kings of planned obsolescence. Who else could do it so brazenly AND have a bunch of zealots who will now reply to this defending them and attcking anyone who points it out. Any industry not involving a computer they'd be in big trouble even with their massive (legal) bribes to politicians and fortune spent on legal teams.

Their “sorry this hardware is too old to run the latest macOS” seems entirely based on KPIs versus capabilities.

There’s absolutely no reason a maxed out MacBook Pro from 10 years ago shouldn’t be able to run something like the ChatGPT or Claude app, because those seem to think they need a newer version of the OS and Apple has decided that a 8 core 3.8ghz i7 with 32gb of ram is obsolete

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