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Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by socalgal2 »

alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

> I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or M6.

How did you measure this? I have an M1 Pro and short of actually measuring with tools I can't imagine you can tell the diffrence between an M1 Pro and an M5 Pro in the Apple Store

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by pkulak »

hedora wrote: post #704
ColdStream wrote: post #687

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There is a youtube channel 'Dank Pods', he was going on about his Framework laptop and was talking about how modern OS's have this ark to their usability. He was arguing that Windows is well past its best years and that OSX is now starting on the downward slope and that is why he was moving to Linux. It was a interesting take on the whole thing about the life times of OS quality. But with a new CEO for Apple, they ha…

Linux has been going down hill, but since you can choose distributions, there is an escape hatch. I’ve been moving all my machines to devuan with xfce (or freebsd with xfce). I have zero issues despite not having to deal with wayland, systemd, snap, etc.

Yup, that's the benefit. To each their own on Linux. I absolutely love Wayland and Systemd (snap... not so much), but no one is forcing me to use them or not use them, and that's the way I like it.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by bigyabai »

stasomatic wrote: post #650
bluecalm wrote: post #624

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I am in the same boat. I would buy a Mac if I could run Linux on it. As it is I will pay more for X1 Carbon with a worse CPU just to run free OS on it.

But you aren't buying a Mac at that point, no? The hardware is 1/2 or 1/4. I'd get an X1 myself if it could run macOS, I like the looks and the aesthetic, don't much care about Linux besides my Proxmox / HA/ *arr setup on an old NUC. Why can't we have it all, eh? :)

> I'd get an X1 myself if it could run macOS

There's actually a number of Thinkpads that can. Searching "thinkpad macos efi" will reveal a number of OpenCore configurations that support booting into the various x86 builds of macOS. I set it up once and was surprised to see that even my touchscreen worked, in addition to a HW accelerated desktop.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by socalgal2 »

saturn8601 wrote: post #449
VCFundedGenYer wrote: post #347

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To be fair, the Zune actually was a better media player than the ipod in almost every way. That wasn't a false statement. The issue was the abysmal marketing and "me too" attitude Microsoft had (and still has).

I recall reading this story of some user doing a sync with Zune on their new computer. The computer had no songs on it and the Zune synced with that machine and wiped all the existing music off his Zune without warning him(or something like that its been years). I recall thinking, yep thats Microsoft. And to this day I still encounter dumb ways of thinking in many of their products. The endless negative stories I hea…

Oh, you mean like MacOS (OSX) installer deleting whole hard drives if there was a space in the volume name? It's so funny how fan boys can selectively ignore the bugs by their favorite company

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by Aurornis »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #342
Aurornis wrote: post #338

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> It's the really inexpensive Neo, of course, but even the M5 laptops are consistently beat on performance and battery life by Intel Windows laptops. Of course you can beat the entry level MacBook Neo by comparing it to larger, more powerful, more expensive laptops. The M5 is an entire family with a range of performance. Intel/AMD have done a lot to improve performance but they’re not beating the high end M5 chips on…

You can also beat the Neo on every measure by comparing it to $700 Windows laptops. https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/dell-xps-13-2026-review It's also not hard to find a Windows laptop that beats the M5 on battery life. Single-thread performance is the only remaining measure where the M5 is king.

> You can also beat the Neo on every measure by comparing it to $700 Windows laptops. https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/dell-xps-13-2026-review

This shows the Neo winning on benchmarks, except for file transfer speed.

The Dell laptop wins on file transfer speed and got 14 hours of battery time versus the Neo's 13 hours.

I don't understand how you read that article and concluded that the Neo got beat on "every conceivable measure"

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by gregors »

staticman2 wrote: post #466
VCFundedGenYer wrote: post #347

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To be fair, the Zune actually was a better media player than the ipod in almost every way. That wasn't a false statement. The issue was the abysmal marketing and "me too" attitude Microsoft had (and still has).

From what I recall Zune had a much bigger screen for videos so I bought one for that reason you can see the side by side here: https://electronics.howstuffworks.com/zune-ipod.htm

I had to hunt this, but the classic design perspective of the ipod vs zune by Joel

https://youtu.be/e-blUcmpW1s?list=PLcIkt5s7w8D0ywp0CBmNFWRTF...

At the end of the day Apple got design and Microsoft didn't and it showed in their sales.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by sgarland »

emp_ wrote: post #638
greenowl wrote: post #581

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Still rocking an M1 Air - 2020 build. 8GB ram. No slowdown or deterioration at all. Battery health reports the battery max capacity at 84%. Best computer I've ever owned, by far.

Great to hear! The absolute best Air Form Factor, I've debated a lot buying a used one because I dislike the square form of M2+ Air compared.

Agreed. I have an M1 Air base model (also an M4 Pro), and hated the squared-off change for the M2. The wedge was the entire point.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by gregors »

riazrizvi wrote: post #403
VCFundedGenYer wrote: post #347

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To be fair, the Zune actually was a better media player than the ipod in almost every way. That wasn't a false statement. The issue was the abysmal marketing and "me too" attitude Microsoft had (and still has).

The Zune failed vs the iPod because of marketing? Okay.

They failed because of design.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by DonHopkins »

foxyv wrote: post #597
alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

I have never owned an Apple product that didn't slowly get worse over time. After a couple iPads and MacBooks, I'm almost certain they are intentionally updating their operating system to slow down older products. Even worse is the removal of access to certain applications for older hardware in the name of security or compatibility. Meanwhile my Linux laptop continues to get faster every year as the operating system…

My Apple ][+ improved with age as I added things like 48K of RAM, a floppy disk, a language card, etc...
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