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iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by dcminter »

degamad wrote: post #158
dcminter wrote: post #118

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If you do this you immediately get thousands of emails a day from bots trying common first names etc. Much better to maintain an explicit list of names you're currently allowing.

Surprisingly not. I have catch-all emails on several of my domains, and rarely get common name spam. I've blacklisted less than a dozen names on my domains in over 20 years.

I guess it varies then. When I did it (probably 15 or 20 years ago mind) I unleashed a torrent of spam so voluminous that I had to write scripts to clean it up my inbox after I turned it off again.

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Post by dcminter »

iso1631 wrote: post #132
dcminter wrote: post #118

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If you do this you immediately get thousands of emails a day from bots trying common first names etc. Much better to maintain an explicit list of names you're currently allowing.

I do this and have done for over a decade (and used to from about 1998 to 2006 when I ran my own mail server), and don't receive any emails like this

It was probably some time in the early 2000s that I tried it. I'm actually pretty surprised others didn't/don't have the same issue.

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Post by IndySun »

Corrado wrote: post #163
serbuvlad wrote: post #104

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I find this very interesting in 2026. I use my gmail address for everything and I don't really get spam (except from services I've subscribed to legitimately but haven't bothered to configure to not send promotional mail). I never really get promotional mail from 3rd parties at all. Is this just gmail filters being very good?

Yes, gmail filters are VERY good.

>Yes, gmail filters are VERY good.

But might gmail junk filters be the best junk mail filters for nefarious proprietary reasons, possibly?

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by khalic »

fugigigjfn wrote: post #185
khalic wrote: post #129

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And they all sell your data

It’s so tiring to hear people repeat this automatically without even thinking. It’s true in thumb cases, but in many other cases, the data is more valuable to them to keep private or use for other purposes, or it’s value when the sold is not enough to warrant inclusion in the privacy policies. You’re adding nothing to the discussion and you should delete your comment

Sure thing

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by zackwu »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #105
consumer451 wrote: post #44

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Seriously, Apple is "big tech," but they are the only one that appears to give a crap about privacy at all. And really, they put a lot of money and effort into it. We need to give kudos when they are due. Apple's Private Cloud Compute should have won some kind of Nobel Privacy Prize, which for some reason does not yet exist.

> but they are the only one that appears to give a crap about privacy at all. they advertise that they do. that is not the same as doing Apple literally wanted to scan all your photos and automatically report you to law enforcement if a fuzzy hash happened to match an opaque database.

no one is saying Apple is the saint. It's just better in comparison to other big techs who want your privacy as much and don't even pretend to care

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Post by zackwu »

rsync wrote: post #186
DarmokTanagra wrote: post #171

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many cards offer virtual card numbers, robinhood card offers name anonymization. been a user for a couple years now and no complaints

A reminder: Neither visa nor MasterCard networks have the ability to verify cardholder name. Everyone behaves as if they do, but your name cannot be verified. Which is to say, all of these cards have name anonymization, not just robinhood.

yeah I found it out a while back and since then I've been using randomly generated names during checkout every time - no issues ever

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Post by inigyou »

Schiendelman wrote: post #192
inigyou wrote: post #188

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I can lie too.

Tell me more! What evidence do you have that Apple is lying?

Lying would make money. Apple likes money. Apple has a lot of money. Many other companies that were in positions similar to Apple have been caught lying. The reason for that was money.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by Schiendelman »

inigyou wrote: post #207
Schiendelman wrote: post #192

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Tell me more! What evidence do you have that Apple is lying?

Lying would make money. Apple likes money. Apple has a lot of money. Many other companies that were in positions similar to Apple have been caught lying. The reason for that was money.

Do you understand how easy it would be to prove Apple lied about that if they did?

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by theshrike79 »

int_19h wrote: post #61
consumer451 wrote: post #44

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Seriously, Apple is "big tech," but they are the only one that appears to give a crap about privacy at all. And really, they put a lot of money and effort into it. We need to give kudos when they are due. Apple's Private Cloud Compute should have won some kind of Nobel Privacy Prize, which for some reason does not yet exist.

Apple is luxury big tech. In this day and age, privacy is luxury, so that's what they sell. I don't think there are any ethical motivations for them (or any other large corporation - none of them have morals so they cannot act morally). It's just that there's a market niche, so it will be filled by someone.

Privacy is the niche they know Google can never follow.

Apple sells hardware, Google is an ad company.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by hollow-moe »

dymk wrote: post #55
travoc wrote: post #36

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Marketing turds can't just block registrations from all of @icloud.com.

That doesn’t explain how the user is held “hostage” by Apple

The user is held hostage as much as the platforms because it's used as "currency" to force other sites to do things they may not want to, i.e. create accounts using private emails, and the platforms are held hostage by these same users expecting to be able to create accounts using their legit or private icloud emails. It looks like some kind of "who will break first", is there a service big enough to be able to block all icloud emails and it'd be a sufficient inconvenience to force apple to rethink how private email works ?
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